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    Lightbulb 100% probability Scythians ancestral to Kurds & some Iranians according to big study

    Ancestry and demography and descendants of Iron Age nomads of the Eurasian Steppe

    An extensive study of Scythian genomes by Unterländer, Lazaridis, Reich and others shows that Kurds and some Iranians have almost a 100% probability of being descended from Western Scythians.

    The other surprise is Kurds have one of the highest probabilities from Indo-Iranians of being descended from Eastern Scythians in addition to Western Scythians.

    They used very sophisticated methods to arrive at their conclusions

    This is consistent with what Eurasian DNA independently found a couple of years that Tian Shan Saka are ancestral to Kurds. Kudos to Dilawer. https://eurasiandna.com/impact-of-th...an-demography/

    The Kurdish group consisted of 30 samples of Kurmanji Kurds from Turkmenistan which are basically and extension of Khorasani Kurds in Iran. Khorasani Kurds number about 1.5 million and are basically Kurmanji Kurds who migrated there about 500 years ago and still speak Kurmanji Kurdish.

    From their supplement (typo corrected) Numbers are probabilities not admixture percentage

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    Decent from E Scythians (dark grey). Pink shows decent from W Scythians

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    Decent from W Scythians shown in red

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    These are the population codes

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    I think that Turkic people have partial scythian origin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kmakkmak View Post
    I think that Turkic people have partial scythian origin.
    Yes especially from Eastern Scythians but I think that R1a in Turks is Indo-Iranian Scythians who were assimilated by Turkics when they expanded from the northern Altai around the 4th to 10th century AD. So in effect Turkics also have some Indo-Iranian ancestry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoro View Post
    Yes especially from Eastern Scythians but I think that R1a in Turks is Indo-Iranian Scythians who were assimilated by Turkics when they expanded from the northern Altai around the 4th to 10th century AD. So in effect Turkics also have some Indo-Iranian ancestry.
    You have Q-M25 y dna?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kmakkmak View Post
    You have Q-M25 y dna?
    Yes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoro View Post
    Yes
    It is interesting for a Kurd? you have paternal turkic origin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kmakkmak View Post
    It is interesting for a Kurd? you have paternal turkic origin.
    Yes my grandfather is Turkmen. I have to research Q-M25 but i think Turkmen have quite a bit

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    Anyone who says 100% referring to ADNA should be laughed and pointed at.

    1. Kurds aren't a single ethnicity, they are an amalgamation of peoples
    2. Kurds don't speak the same language or even all have the same religion
    3. Their Ydna paints a different picture


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    Quote Originally Posted by PaleoEuropean View Post
    Anyone who says 100% referring to ADNA should be laughed and pointed at.

    1. Kurds aren't a single ethnicity, they are an amalgamation of peoples
    2. Kurds don't speak the same language or even all have the same religion
    3. Their Ydna paints a different picture

    Well kurd in Middle Persian means nomad. I agree that our languages such as kurmanji, feyli, sorani, gorani, zaza are quite different and some sentences are not mutually intelligible.

    I blame the simplistic program Admixture G25 or some of the commercial testing companies for homogenizing kurdish results but more sophisticated formal programs can easily detect differences. This said all kurds have a core Chalcolithic zagrosian base but the amount of mede parthian anatolian scythian Mesopotamian BMAC levant varies between say zazas and feyli kurds and reflects the large area kurds occupy and neighboring populations
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