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    Target: Italian_Northeast
    Distance: 1.2849% / 0.01284887
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celtíbero Itálico View Post
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    Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer:Barcin,0.1175998,0.180118,0.0035312,-0.101158,0.0510443,-0.0483875,-0.0043582,-0.0069334,0.0362287,0.0807473,0.0079718,0.0118803,-0.0234545,0.0004691,-0.0419807,-0.0101913,0.0233091,0.0019866,0.0136954,-0.0097489,-0.0142249,0.0057723,-0.0041232,-0.0031658,-0.0043437
    Ancient_North_Africa:MAR_Taforalt,-0.189857,0.0814452,-0.0242866,-0.085595,0.027636,-0.0552202,-0.0705968,0.0184146,0.155397,0.003499,0.0209156,-0.0318316,0.0747168,-0.0513334,0.0711988,-0.0363032,0.0052676,-0.066106,-0.1424162,0.0389938,-0.0376836,-0.1255322,0.0730118,-0.0137606,0.0164534
    Ancient_Sub-Saharan_Africa:KEN_Pastoral_N_Elmenteitan,-0.287024,0.0907208,-0.0276555,-0.0726212,0.0024618,-0.038301,-0.0101445,-0.0047307,0.1227825,-0.0826743,-0.0060355,-0.0064442,-0.0024528,0.0003442,0.021783,-0.019093,0.01695,0.0029983,0.0102862,-0.0021678,0.0041177,0.0024938,-0.0084632,-0.0035748,0.0022753
    Yamnaya:RUS_Samara,0.1255849,0.089028,0.0426986,0.1153479,-0.0287232,0.0450564,0.0036033,-0.0025642,-0.0559032,-0.0728943,0.0018222,3.32e-05,-0.0026924,-0.0233041,0.0366141,0.0157633,-0.0012316,-0.0017879,-0.0038408,0.0137704,-0.0031749,0.0007557,0.0110649,0.0186102,-0.004537
    Ancient_Central_Asia:IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N,0.0430252,0.0664158,-0.1550722,0.0047158,-0.122669,0.0235384,0.017109,-0.0011998,-0.082546,-0.0544158,-0.0028258,-0.0016186,0.0044896,-0.0062756,0.0316498,0.0561384,-0.0054242,0.0068664,0.0136508,-0.0334162,0.00856,-0.028836,-0.0110678,-0.039331,0.0222254
    Ancient_East_Asia:RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N,0.0227646,-0.4480516,0.0728598,-0.052972,-0.0414846,-0.0407738,0.005264,0.011215,0.0075266,0.021431,-0.0507624,-0.005665,0.0027948,0.0100466,-0.0100162,-0.0120658,-0.0043026,0.0060558,0.0153102,0.0099798,0.0104566,-0.0287366,-0.0196458,-0.0016628,-0.0099152
    Ancient_South_Asia:IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2,0.043708,-0.0327002,-0.170006,0.0950268,-0.1047582,0.0568936,0.0063452,0.0041998,0.0056858,0.0067428,-0.0051964,0.0079128,-0.0018436,-0.0031928,0.0098534,0.0097852,-0.0023732,0.0025084,0.0016342,-0.0142568,0.0029694,-0.0125136,-0.0011832,-0.0119052,0.001317
    Ancient_Middle_East:Levant_Natufian,0.020488,0.1431895,-0.0377125,-0.1387295,0.030775,-0.079484,-0.025616,-0.0175375,0.114329,0.002005,0.0332085,-0.0222555,0.076486,0.002133,0.0153365,0.009016,-0.0154505,-0.001014,-0.02206,0.040832,0.001497,0.0001235,-0.003636,-0.0044585,0.006287
    Ancient_America:BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP,0.050765,-0.3095332,0.1206032,0.098515,-0.1156522,-0.017626,-0.284645,-0.3400012,-0.0136212,-0.0184422,0.002241,-0.003267,0.0004162,0.017478,-0.0065688,0.0064438,0.006493,-0.001267,0.0026898,0.003727,-0.0010482,0.007963,-0.002662,-0.0043378,0.001413
    Ancient_America:USA_Ancient_Beringian,0.0432525,-0.3051665,0.0873035,0.081073,-0.0887855,-0.020777,-0.1215005,-0.150686,-0.020657,-0.0218685,0.008038,-0.009816,0.0097375,-0.0141065,-0.009093,0.004508,0.002021,0.0119085,0.003017,0.0139445,-0.005927,0.0059355,0.00721,0.0040965,-0.0006585
    Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer:Tepecik_Ciftlik,0.108701,0.1731478,-0.0143308,-0.100534,0.0270818,-0.0402298,-0.0045828,-0.005019,0.02623,0.05745,0.008444,0.0080555,-0.0101832,0.0052298,-0.0352192,-0.0104748,0.0088662,0.0004432,0.005342,-0.0032828,0.0026827,0.0044515,-0.0071795,-0.0038258,-0.0045805
    Ancient_Sub-Saharan_Africa:ETH_4500BP,-0.511066,0.043668,0.000754,0.000969,-0.00277,-0.011435,0.050997,-0.045229,0.089172,-0.087838,-0.012991,-0.002997,-0.031219,0.000688,0.02158,-0.029965,0.027772,0.039273,0.00176,-0.009004,0.000374,0.006183,-0.003451,-0.00241,-0.000838
    Yamnaya:RUS_Kalmykia,0.115189,0.092007,0.0465368,0.1129864,-0.0276358,0.0420566,0.004371,-0.003646,-0.0539944,-0.0743522,-0.000942,0.0004496,-0.001011,-0.023616,0.0278496,0.0116148,0.0012254,-0.002559,0.0007542,0.0102548,-0.0042426,0.0005688,0.016244,0.0230152,-0.0035446
    Ancient_Oceania:VUT_2350BP,-0.025041,-0.308721,-0.164802,0.148258,0.158491,-0.256579,-0.0094,-0.017999,-0.030474,-0.015672,0.021273,0.005995,0.004608,0.000963,0.008279,-0.004243,-0.007953,-0.005321,0.005782,-0.004252,-0.003119,-0.008161,-0.010846,-0.002289,-0.02862
    Yamnaya:KAZ_Mereke,0.1161,0.073118,0.040729,0.117896,-0.032929,0.059961,-0.00517,-0.003,-0.052972,-0.080548,0.002436,-0.006744,0.001933,-0.027662,0.034473,0.008751,-0.021122,-0.004814,0.002388,0.014632,0.000499,0.006059,0.018117,0.016629,-0.004071
    Western_Hunter-Gatherer:BEL_Loschbour,0.133173,0.106631,0.20176,0.192186,0.164338,0.055778,0.00611,0.036922,0.096535,0.02278,-0.020786,-0.016186,0.024975,-0.007432,0.065824,0.063643,0.008084,0.006714,-0.013324,0.065281,0.120038,0.019166,-0.059405,-0.175687,0.022992
    Western_Hunter-Gatherer:ITA_Grotta_Continenza_Meso,0.1195143,0.112385,0.1988683,0.204137,0.1729553,0.0623787,0.0160593,0.0390753,0.10867,0.0242983,-0.019649,-0.0154863,0.0161543,-0.0117437,0.0715247,0.0668253,4.37e-05,0.011191,-0.0103493,0.0629887,0.1171267,0.010634,-0.0599803,-0.1960117,0.0237503
    Target: Italian_Abruzzo
    Distance: 1.4419% / 0.01441945
    44.2 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer:Tepecik_Ciftlik
    21.6 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer:Barcin
    21.4 Yamnaya:RUS_Samara
    6.6 Yamnaya:KAZ_Mereke

    3.6 Ancient_Central_Asia:IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    1.6 Ancient_Middle_East:Levant_Natufian
    0.8 Western_Hunter-Gatherer:ITA_Grotta_Continenza_Meso
    0.2 Ancient_North_Africa:MAR_Taforalt

    Target: Italian_Aosta_Valley

    Distance: 2.7342% / 0.02734177
    52.2 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer:Barcin
    29.8 Yamnaya:RUS_Samara
    10.2 Yamnaya:KAZ_Mereke
    7.8 Western_Hunter-Gatherer:BEL_Loschbour


    Target: Italian_Apulia
    Distance: 1.5563% / 0.01556267
    54.0 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer:Tepecik_Ciftlik
    17.8 Yamnaya:RUS_Samara
    15.0 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer:Barcin
    8.4 Yamnaya:KAZ_Mereke

    3.6 Ancient_Central_Asia:IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    0.6 Ancient_North_Africa:MAR_Taforalt
    0.4 Ancient_Middle_East:Levant_Natufian
    0.2 Western_Hunter-Gatherer:ITA_Grotta_Continenza_Meso

    Target: Italian_Basilicata

    Distance: 1.3165% / 0.01316527
    48.6 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer:Tepecik_Ciftlik
    18.0 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer:Barcin
    13.2 Yamnaya:RUS_Samara
    10.2 Yamnaya:RUS_Kalmykia

    5.2 Ancient_Central_Asia:IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    2.6 Yamnaya:KAZ_Mereke
    1.6 Ancient_Middle_East:Levant_Natufian
    0.4 Ancient_North_Africa:MAR_Taforalt
    0.2 Western_Hunter-Gatherer:ITA_Grotta_Continenza_Meso

    Target: Italian_Bergamo
    Distance: 2.5892% / 0.02589192
    61.2 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer:Barcin
    17.2 Yamnaya:RUS_Samara
    15.8 Yamnaya:KAZ_Mereke
    5.8 Western_Hunter-Gatherer:ITA_Grotta_Continenza_Meso


    Target: Italian_Calabria
    Distance: 1.4312% / 0.01431200
    54.2 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer:Tepecik_Ciftlik
    14.8 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer:Barcin
    11.0 Yamnaya:KAZ_Mereke
    9.8 Yamnaya:RUS_Kalmykia

    6.8 Ancient_Central_Asia:IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    1.8 Ancient_North_Africa:MAR_Taforalt
    1.6 Yamnaya:RUS_Samara

    Target: Italian_Campania
    Distance: 1.4259% / 0.01425854
    46.6 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer:Tepecik_Ciftlik
    19.8 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer:Barcin
    18.8 Yamnaya:RUS_Samara

    6.0 Ancient_Central_Asia:IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    5.4 Yamnaya:KAZ_Mereke
    2.8 Ancient_Middle_East:Levant_Natufian
    0.6 Ancient_North_Africa:MAR_Taforalt

    Target: Italian_Lazio
    Distance: 1.8234% / 0.01823360
    42.4 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer:Tepecik_Ciftlik
    24.6 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer:Barcin
    21.4 Yamnaya:RUS_Samara
    5.8 Yamnaya:KAZ_Mereke
    2.4 Western_Hunter-Gatherer:ITA_Grotta_Continenza_Meso

    2.2 Ancient_Central_Asia:IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    1.2 Ancient_Middle_East:Levant_Natufian

    Target: Italian_Liguria
    Distance: 3.0875% / 0.03087453
    48.2 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer:Barcin
    33.0 Yamnaya:KAZ_Mereke
    12.8 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer:Tepecik_Ciftlik
    5.2 Western_Hunter-Gatherer:ITA_Grotta_Continenza_Meso

    0.8 Ancient_North_Africa:MAR_Taforalt

    Target: Italian_Lombardy
    Distance: 2.9476% / 0.02947569
    62.0 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer:Barcin
    27.8 Yamnaya:KAZ_Mereke
    5.0 Yamnaya:RUS_Samara
    4.8 Western_Hunter-Gatherer:ITA_Grotta_Continenza_Meso
    0.4 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer:Tepecik_Ciftlik


    Target: Italian_Marche

    Distance: 1.7569% / 0.01756860
    47.6 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer:Tepecik_Ciftlik
    22.0 Yamnaya:RUS_Samara
    19.2 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer:Barcin
    8.8 Yamnaya:KAZ_Mereke
    2.0 Western_Hunter-Gatherer:ITA_Grotta_Continenza_Meso

    0.4 Ancient_Middle_East:Levant_Natufian

    Target: Italian_Molise
    Distance: 1.4795% / 0.01479507
    46.2 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer:Tepecik_Ciftlik
    23.8 Yamnaya:RUS_Samara
    20.0 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer:Barcin
    4.4 Yamnaya:RUS_Kalmykia

    3.6 Ancient_Central_Asia:IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    0.8 Western_Hunter-Gatherer:ITA_Grotta_Continenza_Meso
    0.6 Ancient_Middle_East:Levant_Natufian
    0.6 Yamnaya:KAZ_Mereke

    Target: Italian_Northeast
    Distance: 2.4605% / 0.02460514
    54.4 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer:Barcin
    20.8 Yamnaya:RUS_Kalmykia
    14.0 Yamnaya:RUS_Samara
    6.8 Western_Hunter-Gatherer:BEL_Loschbour
    4.0 Yamnaya:KAZ_Mereke


    Target: Italian_Piedmont
    Distance: 2.0523% / 0.02052324
    44.6 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer:Barcin
    26.8 Yamnaya:RUS_Samara
    17.2 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer:Tepecik_Ciftlik
    7.4 Yamnaya:KAZ_Mereke
    4.0 Western_Hunter-Gatherer:ITA_Grotta_Continenza_Meso


    Target: Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
    Distance: 2.4145% / 0.02414480
    58.0 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer:Barcin
    24.0 Yamnaya:RUS_Samara
    10.8 Yamnaya:KAZ_Mereke
    5.4 Western_Hunter-Gatherer:ITA_Grotta_Continenza_Meso
    1.8 Western_Hunter-Gatherer:BEL_Loschbour


    Target: Italian_Tuscany
    Distance: 1.6371% / 0.01637081
    35.6 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer:Barcin
    28.8 Yamnaya:RUS_Samara
    28.6 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer:Tepecik_Ciftlik
    3.8 Yamnaya:KAZ_Mereke
    3.0 Western_Hunter-Gatherer:ITA_Grotta_Continenza_Meso

    0.2 Ancient_North_Africa:MAR_Taforalt

    Target: Italian_Umbria
    Distance: 1.5442% / 0.01544152
    34.2 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer:Barcin
    30.8 Yamnaya:RUS_Samara
    30.4 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer:Tepecik_Ciftlik

    2.0 Ancient_Central_Asia:IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    1.8 Western_Hunter-Gatherer:ITA_Grotta_Continenza_Meso
    0.8 Ancient_North_Africa:MAR_Taforalt

    Target: Italian_Veneto
    Distance: 2.2101% / 0.02210118
    58.4 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer:Barcin
    26.4 Yamnaya:RUS_Samara
    9.0 Yamnaya:KAZ_Mereke
    3.2 Western_Hunter-Gatherer:ITA_Grotta_Continenza_Meso
    3.0 Western_Hunter-Gatherer:BEL_Loschbour


    Target: Sardinian
    Distance: 3.4905% / 0.03490520
    82.4 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer:Barcin
    11.6 Western_Hunter-Gatherer:ITA_Grotta_Continenza_Meso
    4.2 Yamnaya:RUS_Samara

    1.0 Ancient_South_Asia:IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2
    0.8 Ancient_North_Africa:MAR_Taforalt

    Target: Sicilian_East
    Distance: 1.7434% / 0.01743447
    61.8 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer:Tepecik_Ciftlik
    19.4 Yamnaya:KAZ_Mereke
    7.4 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer:Barcin
    4.2 Yamnaya:RUS_Samara

    3.2 Ancient_Central_Asia:IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    1.6 Ancient_Middle_East:Levant_Natufian
    0.8 Western_Hunter-Gatherer:ITA_Grotta_Continenza_Meso
    0.6 Ancient_North_Africa:MAR_Taforalt
    0.6 Ancient_Sub-Saharan_Africa:KEN_Pastoral_N_Elmenteitan
    0.4 Ancient_Oceania:VUT_2350BP

    Target: Sicilian_West
    Distance: 1.8469% / 0.01846890
    58.0 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer:Tepecik_Ciftlik
    15.0 Yamnaya:KAZ_Mereke
    8.2 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer:Barcin
    7.6 Yamnaya:RUS_Samara

    3.6 Ancient_Central_Asia:IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    3.6 Western_Hunter-Gatherer:ITA_Grotta_Continenza_Meso
    2.4 Ancient_North_Africa:MAR_Taforalt
    0.8 Ancient_Middle_East:Levant_Natufian
    0.4 Ancient_Sub-Saharan_Africa:KEN_Pastoral_N_Elmenteitan
    0.4 Ancient_South_Asia:IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2

    With my calc and good distances, seems to be that southern italians are getting very european.

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    Spreadsheet of different results from Sicily (23andme) :




    Some comments :

    "This is what I observed:

    1. Maltese are different than Sicilians based on the limited results I have, even compared to those from Agrigento. Maltese score very high North African-like ancestry (both North African Berber and North African Jewish, which I combined into one grouping as Myheritage does) when compared to Sicilians, but much less West Asian and Middle Eastern.
    2. Palermo has some very high outliers for both West Asian and Middle Eastern, sometimes 20%+, as well as more North/Northwest/Eastern European. This offsets their lower Greek ancestry.
    3. Southeastern Sicily -- Syracuse, Ragusa, and Enna -- have the least total "WANA" ancestry, with the Syracusan result having the least. The Syracusan also is the only Sicilian on my list to score 'Balkan' and they score it at 36%. This person is an outlier for the spreadsheet.
    4. Sicily seems to have more of a North vs South genetic division, with Palermo, Messina, and Catania being similar versus Trapani and Agrigento being similar, with the southeast and Malta as outliers."



    "I am noticing more of a southeast to northwest cline for increasing WANA admixture, and a southeast Sicily which is strongly Italic and Greek which means that similarly to Iberia where the Basque Country was shielded from a lot of later migration, this is SE Sicily for Sicily.

    1. West Asian (Anatolian, Armenian, Mesopotamian type mixture) is on a clear north to south cline, with Palermo having the most, then Messina/Catania, down to almost nothing in the southeast of the island.

    2. Middle Eastern (Levant, Arabian type mixture) is omnipresent across the island, with the highest outliers in the north. So there is a minor north to south cline here too but it is not as noticeable.

    This would indicate to me that to some extent, these two components arrived together, possibly either from Phoenician settlement or movements out of West Asia when these regions were under Byzantine rule.


    1. North African mixture is present throughout the island with the exception of the southeast where it is negligible."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Samnium View Post
    Spreadsheet of different results from Sicily (23andme) :




    Some comments :

    "This is what I observed:

    1. Maltese are different than Sicilians based on the limited results I have, even compared to those from Agrigento. Maltese score very high North African-like ancestry (both North African Berber and North African Jewish, which I combined into one grouping as Myheritage does) when compared to Sicilians, but much less West Asian and Middle Eastern.
    2. Palermo has some very high outliers for both West Asian and Middle Eastern, sometimes 20%+, as well as more North/Northwest/Eastern European. This offsets their lower Greek ancestry.
    3. Southeastern Sicily -- Syracuse, Ragusa, and Enna -- have the least total "WANA" ancestry, with the Syracusan result having the least. The Syracusan also is the only Sicilian on my list to score 'Balkan' and they score it at 36%. This person is an outlier for the spreadsheet.
    4. Sicily seems to have more of a North vs South genetic division, with Palermo, Messina, and Catania being similar versus Trapani and Agrigento being similar, with the southeast and Malta as outliers."



    "I am noticing more of a southeast to northwest cline for increasing WANA admixture, and a southeast Sicily which is strongly Italic and Greek which means that similarly to Iberia where the Basque Country was shielded from a lot of later migration, this is SE Sicily for Sicily.

    1. West Asian (Anatolian, Armenian, Mesopotamian type mixture) is on a clear north to south cline, with Palermo having the most, then Messina/Catania, down to almost nothing in the southeast of the island.

    2. Middle Eastern (Levant, Arabian type mixture) is omnipresent across the island, with the highest outliers in the north. So there is a minor north to south cline here too but it is not as noticeable.

    This would indicate to me that to some extent, these two components arrived together, possibly either from Phoenician settlement or movements out of West Asia when these regions were under Byzantine rule.


    1. North African mixture is present throughout the island with the exception of the southeast where it is negligible."


    (https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/com...e_spreadsheet/)
    Very nice!

    I don't know if you remember that my 1/4 sicilian is mostly syracusan, maybe that's why i score balkan in some calcs.

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    Using my last model:

    Target: Italian_Abruzzo
    Distance: 2.4430% / 0.02443049 | ADC: 0.25x
    56.2 EEF
    32.2 WSH
    6.2 Natufian
    5.4 Neolithic_Iran

    Target: Italian_Aosta_Valley

    Distance: 3.0556% / 0.03055640 | ADC: 0.25x
    50.0 EEF
    42.8 WSH
    7.2 WHG

    Target: Italian_Apulia
    Distance: 2.6136% / 0.02613585 | ADC: 0.25x
    57.0 EEF
    29.6 WSH
    7.0 Neolithic_Iran
    6.4 Natufian

    Target: Italian_Basilicata
    Distance: 2.2185% / 0.02218538 | ADC: 0.25x
    56.6 EEF
    29.0 WSH
    7.8 Neolithic_Iran
    6.6 Natufian

    Target: Italian_Bergamo
    Distance: 3.2485% / 0.03248473 | ADC: 0.25x
    58.8 EEF
    36.0 WSH
    5.2 WHG

    Target: Italian_Calabria
    Distance: 2.6068% / 0.02606799 | ADC: 0.25x
    56.2 EEF
    25.2 WSH
    10.6 Neolithic_Iran
    8.0 Natufian

    Target: Italian_Campania
    Distance: 2.3488% / 0.02348788 | ADC: 0.25x
    56.2 EEF
    27.0 WSH
    9.0 Neolithic_Iran
    7.8 Natufian

    Target: Italian_Lazio

    Distance: 2.7331% / 0.02733051 | ADC: 0.25x
    58.2 EEF
    33.2 WSH
    5.8 Natufian
    2.6 Neolithic_Iran
    0.2 WHG

    Target: Italian_Liguria
    Distance: 4.0454% / 0.04045372 | ADC: 0.25x
    55.4 EEF
    38.2 WSH
    4.2 WHG
    2.2 Natufian

    Target: Italian_Lombardy
    Distance: 3.7785% / 0.03778503 | ADC: 0.25x
    59.4 EEF
    36.4 WSH
    4.2 WHG

    Target: Italian_Marche

    Distance: 2.8065% / 0.02806478 | ADC: 0.25x
    56.4 EEF
    37.2 WSH
    5.8 Natufian
    0.6 Neolithic_Iran

    Target: Italian_Molise

    Distance: 2.3391% / 0.02339091 | ADC: 0.25x
    57.2 EEF
    32.8 WSH
    5.4 Neolithic_Iran
    4.6 Natufian

    Target: Italian_Northeast

    Distance: 2.7891% / 0.02789084 | ADC: 0.25x
    53.0 EEF
    41.0 WSH
    6.0 WHG

    Target: Italian_Piedmont
    Distance: 2.7190% / 0.02718986 | ADC: 0.25x
    57.6 EEF
    38.4 WSH
    2.8 WHG
    1.2 Natufian

    Target: Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
    Distance: 2.8644% / 0.02864371 | ADC: 0.25x
    55.8 EEF
    37.4 WSH
    6.8 WHG

    Target: Italian_Tuscany
    Distance: 2.4372% / 0.02437207 | ADC: 0.25x
    58.0 EEF
    37.6 WSH
    3.0 Natufian
    1.4 WHG

    Target: Italian_Umbria
    Distance: 2.3233% / 0.02323282 | ADC: 0.25x
    58.4 EEF
    36.2 WSH
    3.8 Natufian
    1.6 Neolithic_Iran

    Target: Italian_Veneto
    Distance: 2.5576% / 0.02557616 | ADC: 0.25x
    56.4 EEF
    37.8 WSH
    5.8 WHG

    Target: Sardinian
    Distance: 4.2313% / 0.04231267 | ADC: 0.25x
    81.4 EEF
    10.8 WHG
    7.6 WSH
    0.2 Iberomaurusian

    Target: Sicilian_East
    Distance: 3.0512% / 0.03051169 | ADC: 0.25x
    53.8 EEF
    28.6 WSH
    10.6 Natufian
    7.0 Neolithic_Iran

    Target: Sicilian_West
    Distance: 3.0001% / 0.03000069 | ADC: 0.25x
    51.4 EEF
    29.6 WSH
    12.0 Natufian
    5.8 Neolithic_Iran
    1.2 WHG
    Last edited by Rocinante; 04-05-2020 at 12:46 PM.

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    Italian_Aosta_Valley has been updated with lots of new samples, eventually making it to the top of my closest modern populations:

    Code:
    Distance to:	VFlumina_scaled
    0.03098592	Italian_Aosta_Valley
    0.03266227	French_Provence
    0.03369721	Italian_Northeast
    0.03515743	Swiss_French
    0.03615507	Italian_Veneto
    0.03842079	Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
    0.03932807	Swiss_Italian
    0.03948891	Spanish_Mallorca
    0.04039403	Spanish_Baleares
    0.04081677	Spanish_Girona
    0.04170423	French_Auvergne
    0.04195865	Spanish_Penedes
    0.04266887	Italian_Bergamo
    0.04378555	Spanish_Catalunya_Central
    0.04428843	Swiss_German
    0.04443637	Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
    0.04488918	Italian_Piedmont
    0.04491194	Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
    0.04545997	Romanian
    0.04551167	Montenegrin
    0.04562266	French_Occitanie
    0.04564784	Spanish_Castello
    0.04569003	Spanish_Lleida
    0.04585928	French_Paris
    0.04605192	French_Alsace
    0.04692039	Spanish_Eivissa
    0.04750461	Spanish_Cataluna
    0.04815329	Spanish_Soria
    0.04826715	Spanish_Alacant
    0.04836103	French_Nord
    0.04846847	Spanish_Barcelones
    0.04852102	Spanish_Menorca
    0.04855184	Bulgarian
    0.04873171	Moldovan
    0.04906639	Italian_Tuscany
    0.04956727	Spanish_Murcia
    0.04992163	Belgian
    0.05033435	French_Pas-de-Calais
    0.05054438	Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
    0.05075020	Macedonian
    0.05101677	Spanish_Pirineu
    0.05123258	Spanish_Valencia
    0.05142352	Albanian
    0.05176692	Italian_Lombardy
    0.05203176	French_Corsica
    0.05207841	Spanish_Extremadura
    0.05227366	Spanish_Cantabria
    0.05252009	Greek_Central_Macedonia
    0.05268212	Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
    0.05284368	Portuguese

    Aostans essentially bridge the gap between Italian_Northeast cluster and Swiss French/Southcentral France, which should be no surprise given their geographic position. There's possibly a gradient within the valley itself

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vid Flumina View Post
    Italian_Aosta_Valley has been updated with lots of new samples, eventually making it to the top of my closest modern populations:

    Code:
    Distance to:	VFlumina_scaled
    0.03098592	Italian_Aosta_Valley
    0.03266227	French_Provence
    0.03369721	Italian_Northeast
    0.03515743	Swiss_French
    0.03615507	Italian_Veneto
    0.03842079	Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
    0.03932807	Swiss_Italian
    0.03948891	Spanish_Mallorca
    0.04039403	Spanish_Baleares
    0.04081677	Spanish_Girona
    0.04170423	French_Auvergne
    0.04195865	Spanish_Penedes
    0.04266887	Italian_Bergamo
    0.04378555	Spanish_Catalunya_Central
    0.04428843	Swiss_German
    0.04443637	Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
    0.04488918	Italian_Piedmont
    0.04491194	Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
    0.04545997	Romanian
    0.04551167	Montenegrin
    0.04562266	French_Occitanie
    0.04564784	Spanish_Castello
    0.04569003	Spanish_Lleida
    0.04585928	French_Paris
    0.04605192	French_Alsace
    0.04692039	Spanish_Eivissa
    0.04750461	Spanish_Cataluna
    0.04815329	Spanish_Soria
    0.04826715	Spanish_Alacant
    0.04836103	French_Nord
    0.04846847	Spanish_Barcelones
    0.04852102	Spanish_Menorca
    0.04855184	Bulgarian
    0.04873171	Moldovan
    0.04906639	Italian_Tuscany
    0.04956727	Spanish_Murcia
    0.04992163	Belgian
    0.05033435	French_Pas-de-Calais
    0.05054438	Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
    0.05075020	Macedonian
    0.05101677	Spanish_Pirineu
    0.05123258	Spanish_Valencia
    0.05142352	Albanian
    0.05176692	Italian_Lombardy
    0.05203176	French_Corsica
    0.05207841	Spanish_Extremadura
    0.05227366	Spanish_Cantabria
    0.05252009	Greek_Central_Macedonia
    0.05268212	Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
    0.05284368	Portuguese

    Aostans essentially bridge the gap between Italian_Northeast cluster and Swiss French/Southcentral France, which should be no surprise given their geographic position. There's possibly a gradient within the valley itself
    I've always thought about areas that are close to Piedmonte (close to Ivrea area, at the beginning of the valley) being much more italian, and others that are near the border, NW part of the valley being really French like.

    The precedent average had only two samples, but one was clearly Northern French leaning, and the other Northern Italian "shifted".

    For Swiss French, I don't know from where have been taken the samples but if anything I would say that they are between Central France (like Auvergne) and Swiss Germans genetically rather than with Provence or whatever (it's a position that I've observed in some PCA), Swiss France cover from near Aosta Valley to areas that are at 1h from Bale, I don't think that all the region would look the same definitely.

    Vaud, Valais, Fribourg, Genève are very disparate areas, with different geography and history. The only thing that they share more or less (because Fribourg is really at the fringe of Swiss France) it's the language.

    "Allobroges vaillants ! Dans vos vertes campagnes,
    Accordez-moi toujours asile et sûreté,
    Car j'aime à respirer l'air pur de vos montagnes,
    Je suis la Liberté ! la Liberté !"


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    Quote Originally Posted by Vid Flumina View Post
    Italian_Aosta_Valley has been updated with lots of new samples, eventually making it to the top of my closest modern populations:

    Code:
    Distance to:	VFlumina_scaled
    0.03098592	Italian_Aosta_Valley
    0.03266227	French_Provence
    0.03369721	Italian_Northeast
    0.03515743	Swiss_French
    0.03615507	Italian_Veneto
    0.03842079	Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
    0.03932807	Swiss_Italian
    0.03948891	Spanish_Mallorca
    0.04039403	Spanish_Baleares
    0.04081677	Spanish_Girona
    0.04170423	French_Auvergne
    0.04195865	Spanish_Penedes
    0.04266887	Italian_Bergamo
    0.04378555	Spanish_Catalunya_Central
    0.04428843	Swiss_German
    0.04443637	Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
    0.04488918	Italian_Piedmont
    0.04491194	Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
    0.04545997	Romanian
    0.04551167	Montenegrin
    0.04562266	French_Occitanie
    0.04564784	Spanish_Castello
    0.04569003	Spanish_Lleida
    0.04585928	French_Paris
    0.04605192	French_Alsace
    0.04692039	Spanish_Eivissa
    0.04750461	Spanish_Cataluna
    0.04815329	Spanish_Soria
    0.04826715	Spanish_Alacant
    0.04836103	French_Nord
    0.04846847	Spanish_Barcelones
    0.04852102	Spanish_Menorca
    0.04855184	Bulgarian
    0.04873171	Moldovan
    0.04906639	Italian_Tuscany
    0.04956727	Spanish_Murcia
    0.04992163	Belgian
    0.05033435	French_Pas-de-Calais
    0.05054438	Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
    0.05075020	Macedonian
    0.05101677	Spanish_Pirineu
    0.05123258	Spanish_Valencia
    0.05142352	Albanian
    0.05176692	Italian_Lombardy
    0.05203176	French_Corsica
    0.05207841	Spanish_Extremadura
    0.05227366	Spanish_Cantabria
    0.05252009	Greek_Central_Macedonia
    0.05268212	Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
    0.05284368	Portuguese

    Aostans essentially bridge the gap between Italian_Northeast cluster and Swiss French/Southcentral France, which should be no surprise given their geographic position. There's possibly a gradient within the valley itself
    What is your ancestry if i may ask?

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    Code:
    Italian_Aosta_Valley:Aosta1,0.134311,0.161469,0.045254,0.004845,0.049855,0.001952,-0.00517,0.005538,0.002659,0.02442,0.002598,0.005545,-0.019177,-0.014863,0.0076,-0.000133,0,-0.0019,0.004777,0.005503,0.01123,0.002968,-0.007518,0.002289,0.005748
    Italian_Aosta_Valley:Aosta10,0.132035,0.135065,0.036958,0.00323,0.039392,0,0.00517,0.003692,0.021066,0.019317,-0.00682,0.003897,-0.013082,-0.007569,0.008686,0.001061,-0.002999,-0.000253,0.002011,-0.002001,0.00836,-0.004081,-0.000986,0.015424,-0.005029
    Italian_Aosta_Valley:Aosta11,0.124067,0.144205,0.036581,-0.01292,0.0397,0.003347,-0.00564,0.002077,0.020043,0.016401,0.001299,0.013938,-0.019177,-0.008257,0.009908,0.011138,0.00678,0.002534,-0.00176,0.001751,0.004367,0.008408,-0.002342,0.004579,-0.012214
    Italian_Aosta_Valley:Aosta12,0.114961,0.149283,0.032432,0.018734,0.02739,0.001394,0.004935,-0.002538,-0.002863,0.018588,-0.006333,0.01124,-0.023042,-0.005505,0.013843,-0.008088,-0.007041,-0.000127,0.003394,-0.016508,0.016845,0.002226,-0.004437,0.010363,0.002275
    Italian_Aosta_Valley:Aosta14,0.126344,0.146236,0.033187,0.008075,0.035083,-0.00251,0.00564,0.002538,0.008795,0.026606,-0.001299,0.00045,-0.010704,-0.020506,0.011672,0.014187,0.016037,-0.00076,0.005782,-0.00075,-0.00287,0.00371,0.007395,0.010604,0.000359
    Italian_Aosta_Valley:Aosta15,0.127482,0.148267,0.047894,0.013566,0.036314,-0.006972,0.007285,0,0.01718,0.029887,-0.008444,-0.001798,-0.020961,-0.010322,0.002172,-0.001724,-0.007432,-0.001647,0.009176,0,0.009608,0.004699,-0.013434,0.003374,0.002275
    Italian_Aosta_Valley:Aosta16,0.125205,0.14319,0.038466,0.004199,0.032006,-0.01004,0.005405,0.000231,0.005113,0.019864,-0.000974,0.015286,-0.017839,-0.008257,0.019001,-0.004243,-0.010691,0.002787,0.002765,-0.011005,0.003743,0.007666,-0.004437,0,0.003952
    Italian_Aosta_Valley:Aosta17,0.124067,0.141159,0.036581,0.001615,0.038776,-0.008088,0.00329,0.005538,0.001227,0.029158,-0.011042,0.004646,-0.015758,-0.013487,-0.003936,0.016839,0.015907,0.003801,0.003645,-0.003001,-0.00574,-0.012736,0.007765,0.00723,-0.002874
    Italian_Aosta_Valley:Aosta18,0.129758,0.148267,0.038466,0.007752,0.039392,-0.003626,0.003525,-0.002308,0.012476,0.020046,-0.001299,0.00015,-0.009514,-0.002202,0.007465,-0.003978,-0.017732,0.002407,0.003771,0.000625,0.003993,0.004081,-0.003081,0.003133,0.003592
    Italian_Aosta_Valley:Aosta19,0.125205,0.142174,0.039598,0.002584,0.038161,-0.00251,0.00564,0.005769,0.006749,0.017495,-0.015265,0.007793,-0.008028,-0.010872,0.0076,0.012861,0.014603,-0.005701,0.006788,0.001501,0.005241,0.001731,0.00419,0.002048,-0.005628
    Italian_Aosta_Valley:Aosta2,0.129758,0.14319,0.0445,0.00969,0.039084,-0.004462,0.00564,0.011307,0.007158,0.016948,-0.014453,0.005395,-0.013082,-0.00867,0.012758,0.011933,0.008736,-0.000633,0.004777,0.003752,0.019216,0.004575,0.002835,0.020123,0.001916
    Italian_Aosta_Valley:Aosta20,0.126344,0.135065,0.030547,0.006137,0.029852,0.00251,0.009635,0.005538,-0.001432,0.024055,-0.012179,-0.004796,-0.01665,-0.011423,0.006107,0.005436,0.010952,-0.012289,0.002263,-0.001126,0.001373,0.005193,0.002711,0.00976,0.000359
    Italian_Aosta_Valley:Aosta21,0.122929,0.157407,0.034318,-0.001292,0.032621,-0.00502,-0.00188,0.000462,0.014726,0.018041,-0.003085,0.006444,-0.016055,-0.003165,0.005565,0.0118,0,0.009755,-0.004525,-0.011756,-0.000873,0.002844,0.004314,0.010604,0.004311
    Italian_Aosta_Valley:Aosta22,0.132035,0.141159,0.036204,-0.002907,0.028928,-0.003347,0.011986,0.009,0.004909,0.019499,0.002111,0.001948,-0.013379,-0.020368,0.002307,0.011535,0.020079,-0.003547,-0.002388,0.005503,-0.003369,0.001113,-0.000739,0.012893,0.00479
    Italian_Aosta_Valley:Aosta3,0.125205,0.142174,0.050911,0.007106,0.037545,0.001116,-0.00423,0.005077,0.01309,0.026789,-0.005359,-0.001049,-0.013082,-0.011698,0.009772,0.015248,0.001434,0.006714,0.001131,-0.008129,-0.001497,0.000742,-0.007518,0.005061,-0.003473
    Italian_Aosta_Valley:Aosta4,0.122929,0.145221,0.035826,-0.00323,0.041546,-0.003904,-0.001175,0.001385,0.01493,0.029158,-0.007795,-0.000749,-0.016799,-0.00055,0.001629,0.017502,0.006389,0.003927,0.021117,-0.001626,0.007487,-0.00136,-0.007518,0.001205,-0.001916
    Italian_Aosta_Valley:Aosta6,0.12862,0.149283,0.041106,0.011951,0.037545,0.005299,0.00235,0.005769,0.012476,0.016401,-0.001299,0.009741,-0.008176,-0.010872,0.010043,-0.00716,-0.001956,0.001267,-0.000251,0.002626,-0.00262,0.005441,-0.000739,0.006868,-0.001676
    Italian_Aosta_Valley:Aosta7,0.126344,0.151314,0.039221,0.004522,0.03139,-0.000279,-0.001175,0.002308,0.015748,0.025513,-0.005196,0.004796,-0.010704,-0.012799,0.005565,0.012861,0.017732,0.000507,0.003897,0.008754,-0.01148,-0.003586,0.012202,0.015424,-0.001916
    Italian_Aosta_Valley:Aosta8,0.129758,0.153345,0.046763,-0.002261,0.0397,0.006136,-0.00094,-0.005769,0.012885,0.020775,-0.000812,0.008243,-0.014569,-0.015414,0.000407,0.003978,0.017211,-0.005828,0.003142,0.006753,-0.001622,0.001855,-0.006902,0.009158,0.002395
    Italian_Aosta_Valley:Aosta9,0.132035,0.144205,0.040352,0.013566,0.045239,-0.001952,-0.002115,0.000462,0.017589,0.020228,0.000325,0.007493,-0.014717,-0.010322,0.011808,0.00411,0.015776,-0.006714,-0.002011,0.008379,-0.00287,0.003462,-0.000123,0.012652,0.001557

    "Allobroges vaillants ! Dans vos vertes campagnes,
    Accordez-moi toujours asile et sûreté,
    Car j'aime à respirer l'air pur de vos montagnes,
    Je suis la Liberté ! la Liberté !"


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    Piedmont and Swiss_Italian are still broken though, these two need to be updated as well
    I expect Piedmontese to be closer to Aostans than any Trivenetians

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