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    Quote Originally Posted by Vid Flumina View Post
    SW Piedmont and Eastern Veneto - distant Aostan (6.25%)
    Interesting, you are so northern shifted that i thought you were half Piedmontese half Swiss or something like that.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Vid Flumina View Post
    Piedmontese between Ivrea and Aosta Valley are already almost indistinguishable from Aostans, and much closer to them than to average Lombard.

    And just like Aostans, they don't really look French (see comments):

    https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...ese-from-Ivrea

    PCA definitely shows some variation however none of the Aostan samples is really close to Northern French (new Pas-de-Calais + Seine-Maritime samples), though a couple of Swiss French - probably from Fribourg or Biel/Bienne area - seem to go in that direction:



    *I marked the two old samples as Italian_Aosta_Valley_OLD, they are quite close to each other
    In reality only one sample has more a "Northern French" leaning, I should have precised :

    Distance to: Italian_Aosta_Valley:Aosta2
    0.03381309 Swiss_French
    0.03406528 French_Paris
    0.03424609 French_Provence
    0.03725977 French_Occitanie
    0.03740705 French_Auvergne
    0.03764071 French_Pas-de-Calais
    0.03777348 French_Alsace
    0.03785739 Swiss_German
    0.03845292 French_Nord
    0.03893071 Belgian
    0.04170651 Spanish_Girona
    0.04193880 Spanish_Mallorca
    0.04275771 Spanish_Lleida
    0.04296402 Italian_Northeast
    0.04304233 Spanish_Penedes
    0.04323421 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
    0.04388761 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
    0.04411843 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
    0.04485453 Spanish_Baleares
    0.04526187 Spanish_Castello
    0.04593852 Italian_Veneto
    0.04622830 Spanish_Barcelones
    0.04625454 Spanish_Eivissa
    0.04672511 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
    0.04680632 Spanish_Cataluna

    For Swiss French, I would like to have the location of the samples as well (I don't know if Davidski have them), however Bienne/Biel is barely Swiss France, or proper Romandy, people there are considered as Swiss Germans.

    For Aostans, there are clearly Italian shifted samples, and I definitely think that these are from areas "closer" to Piedmonte.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vid Flumina View Post
    Piedmontese between Ivrea and Aosta Valley are already almost indistinguishable from Aostans, and much closer to them than to average Lombard.

    And just like Aostans, they don't really look French (see comments):

    https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...ese-from-Ivrea
    I don't agree, recently I managed to find many pictures from my distant aostan part, and they look indistinguishable from French, now it's the NW part of the valley, very close to France geographically, but phenotypically I didn't noticed any differences with people on the other side of the border. They look very alike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Samnium View Post
    I don't agree, recently I managed to find many pictures from my distant aostan part, and they look indistinguishable from French, now it's the NW part of the valley, very close to France geographically, but phenotypically I didn't noticed any differences with people on the other side of the border. They look very alike.
    All Aostans look the same to me, extremely familiar and relatable faces; it's impossible to tell if someone is from lower or upper valley (my Aostan ancestry is from Val di Rhêmes) by phenotype.

    On the other hand these savoyards look like regular French to me:




    Same for this guy, no idea if mixed but he would not pass in Aosta:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Vid Flumina View Post
    All Aostan look the same to me, extremely familiar and relatable faces; it's impossible to tell if someone is from lower or upper valley (my Aostan ancestry is from Val di Rhêmes) by phenotype.

    On the other hand these savoyards look like regular French to me:



    Same for this guy, no idea if mixed but he would not pass in Aosta:

    We can have different point of view, but really I haven't find noticeable differences phenotypically with French here. And you know I live in Haute-Savoie so I know well the average phenotype.

    My aostan ancestry seems to be from Introd.

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