Who financed Lenin and Trotsky?

[The Lawspeaker]

Capitalism and communism differ in terms of their views on the distribution and ownership of wealth, but NOT on its origins. Both believe that nature is to be exploited for man's benefit, rather than us respecting and living in commune with it.

Radio Yerevan used to have a good one: "Under capitalism Man exploits Man... and under communism, it's just the opposite".

[Tooting Carmen]

Radio Yerevan used to have a good one: "Under capitalism Man exploits Man... and under communism, it's just the opposite".

Some have actually called Ayn Rand's Objectivism basically a right-wing version of Marxism-Leninism - it still glorifies materialism, industry and the destruction of cultures and traditions as being ends in themselves, only that she advocated it should be all privately rather than publicly owned.

[JamesBond007]

Although some of this sounds credible, (1) why would bankers finance people who'd ultimately destroy or at least severely hinder them and (2) that bit about "in return for lucrative concessions" wouldn't work, as by definition a Communist state has everything nationalised/collectivised.

That is because Lawspeaker did not have the balls to name the Jews as the culprit but instead took the easy way out and blamed 'America' :

Communism was an essentially Jewish phenomenon, and constituted a worldwide conspiracy for what amounts to Jewish political dominance.

"The Jewish people as a whole will be its own Messiah. It will attain world domination by the dissolution of other races...and by the establishment of a world republic in which everywhere the Jews will exercise the privilege of citizenship. In this New World Order the Children of Israel...will furnish all the leaders without encountering opposition..." --Karl Marx in a letter to Baruch Levy, quoted in Review de Paris, June 1, 1928, p. 574

"The governments of the peoples included in this world republic, with the aid of the victorious proletariat, all will fall without difficulty into Jewish hands. Private property will then be strangled by the Jewish directors, who will administer the state patrimony everywhere. Thus the promise of the Talmud will be fulfilled, that is, the promise that the Jews, at the arrival of the Messiah, will possess the key to the wealth of all the peoples of the earth." --Baruch Levy, in a letter to Karl Marx, published in the Rothschild-controlled La Revue de Paris, 1 June 1928

"When the National Socialists and their friends cry or whisper that this [the war] is brought about by Jews, they are perfectly right." --The Jewish magazine Sentinal (Chicago), 8 Oct 1940


Communism was an essentially Jewish phenomenon. Not merely did the Jew Karl Marx develop the ideas, but the founders of the seminal Russian variety were practically all Jews , as were most of the major figures in communism everywhere in the West. Furthermore, the Russian revolution was financed primarily by Jewish bankers in New York, and specifically by Kuhn Loeb & Co, one of whose partners, Jacob Schiff, was said by his son to have spent the then- inconceivable-sum of $20 million for this purpose . Schiff was apparently acting out of enmity to the tsar, an antisemite, whom he had also attempted to overthrow by financing the Japanese in the Russo- Japanese war of 1906; and from this it is no surprise that the very first law passed by the Bolsheviks when they took power was a law against "antisemitism". Bolshevism was responsible for more than 50 million deaths, many of them caused by the most fiendish tortures. Worldwide, Jewish-inspired communism has been responsible for the deaths of more than 100 million people. "Jewish bolshevism", as it was frequently called in its early days, came close to achieving world hegemony, and -- in its more subtle forms of liberalism and socialism -- may still do so.

[Zeno]

Conspiracy theory bunk. Why did the Entente Allies funded and aided the "Whites" against the "Reds" in the Russian Civil War? Why is it hard to believe that large masses of Russians were swept up by revolutionary fervour? After all, even before the revolution the Russian military was demoralized, sodiers were deserting en masse and there were food shortages and dire poverty among civilians. Russia had a longer history of far left revolutionary activity. It's your beloved Germans who financed Lenin and send him to Russia to take it out of the war. All this other stuff is made up crap by conspiracy theorists with wild imaginations.

Then, can you explain why the vast majority of Russians opposed and actually got scared of the Bolsheviks when they killed Nicholas II? It's because the Bolsheviks weren't popular. And the fact that the Whites were much more in numbers eventually than the Reds shows exactly this: that it was orchestrated. The Russians never wanted this.

[KirillMazur]

Radio Yerevan used to have a good one: "Under capitalism Man exploits Man... and under communism, it's just the opposite".

It seems to me that all * isms look beautiful only on paper, in practice they are unbalanced and not adapted to the real world and are not even able to maintain their own existence without degradation.
The thing is that at the beginning of the 20th century the financial system was seized by a certain untouchable group of private individuals interested only in their own profit - these people are simply not able to maintain an economy on a planetary scale and are forced to constantly reduce and “optimize” costs (any, including population).
In the 20th century, there were attempts to create reactionary regimes that tried to adapt these * isms to themselves, but how to conduct a successful struggle with those who print dollars from the air?

[Div]

Although some of this sounds credible, (1) why would bankers finance people who'd ultimately destroy or at least severely hinder them and (2) that bit about "in return for lucrative concessions" wouldn't work, as by definition a Communist state has everything nationalised/collectivised.

Because theory =/= practice. Communism is an inherently materialist (in the philosophical sense) and amoral ideology. It claims to support the poor but in practice power is concentrated to the technocrats that run it. Lenin and Trotsky because of what they stole became some of the richest people in the world. Castro as well.

Another redpill, David Rockefeller in his memoirs describes how he cooperated with Mao's government. The first Chase bank opened in 1964 there during the height of Maoism

Another of David Rockefeller's deals:

He cited the deal to sell American grain to the Soviet Union. “I very strongly support that arrangement,” he said. “I thought it was very good.”

https://www.nytimes.com/1964/01/18/a...-but-bank.html

https://www.nytimes.com/1973/08/10/a...-traveler.html

Make no doubt, the criminal Communist regime of the USSR relied on the west throughout most of its existence. Slave labour comprised a huge amount to the USSR's economy, another part being its reliance on the west.