Do Greeks from Epirus have Albanian blood?

[Dušan]

Only Greece likes you. Rest hates you. But it's okay, you've been creating your own happiness for a long time now.

Greece, Romania, North Macedonia.

Romanian football fans: Kosovo is Serbia





Macedonians believe that Serbia is their best friend, and Bulgaria - a country that poses a threat to them. This is shown by the data of a sociological survey by the "Brima" agency, conducted by telephone in the period from December 12 to 27, 2022, among 1,006 respondents.

https://www.novinite.com/articles/21...Greatest+Enemy




And who likes Albos? Noone.
Maybe CroRats in their blind hate on us.

[Voskos]

Who cares? Ali Pasha is your daddy. Without his rebellion "Greeks" Aka Albanian Christians, wouldn't have had the chance to rebell.

What was an Albanian ruler/pasha doing in Greece in the first place? He was born in Albanian city Tepelena, what's his business in Ioannina/Janina? Albanians need to respect their neighbours and stop sucking foreign toes. It's unacceptable, despicable.

[rothaer]

Of course they do. Epirus was largely Albanian speaking before the Balkan Wars wasn't it? There were also some Vlachs there too. I think all Northern Greeks have Albanian, Slavic and Vlachic ancestry. Not just in the North in fact as Arvanites lived even around Athens and in much of Central Greece. Look at map below from American historical atlas from 1911.


Well map above doesn't show Epirus predominantly Albanian, but it does show an Albanian presence there. I did read this book about the Ottoman Balkans at the beginning of the previous century and it did say Epirus was mostly Albanian, even in the South. It was by a British author, this man: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H._N._Brailsford.
Regardless of all that, I still think Greeks are great and Albanians not so much... It's the culture, not the genes.

In this French map from 1861 Epirus is depicted Albanian.



Btw. note that in your American map even the Athens area is depicted Albanian, which is likely correct. But nobody could explain to me how that happened.

[Straightman]

Btw. note that in your American map even the Athens area is depicted Albanian, which is likely correct. But nobody could explain to me how that happened.

Arvanites in Greece originate from Albanian settlers[19][20] who moved south from areas in what is today southern Albania during the Middle Ages.[21][22] These Albanian movements into Greece are recorded for the first time in the late 13th and early 14th century.[23] The reasons for this migration are not entirely clear and may be manifold. In many instances the Albanians were invited by the Byzantine and Latin rulers of the time. They were employed to re-settle areas that had been largely depopulated through wars, epidemics, and other reasons, and they were employed as soldiers.[24][25] Some later movements are also believed to have been motivated to evade Islamization after the Ottoman conquest.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arvanites#History

I imagine they also assimilated and intermarried with the smaller Greek population left in these areas.

Arvanites (/ˈɑːrvənaɪts/;[1] Arvanitika: Αρbε̱ρεσ̈ε̰, romanized: Arbëreshë or Αρbε̰ρορε̱, romanized: Arbërorë; Greek: Αρβανίτες, romanized: Arvanítes) are a population group in Greece of Albanian origin.[2] They are bilingual,[3] traditionally speaking Arvanitika, an Albanian language variety, along with Greek. Their ancestors were first recorded as settlers who came to what is today southern Greece in the late 13th and early 14th century. They were the dominant population element in parts of the Peloponnese, Attica and Boeotia until the 19th century.[4] They call themselves Arvanites (in Greek) and Arbëror (in their language). Arvanites today self-identify as Greeks as a result of a process of cultural assimilation,[5][6][7][8] and do not consider themselves Albanian.[9] Arvanitika is in a state of attrition due to language shift towards Greek and large-scale internal migration to the cities and subsequent intermingling of the population during the 20th century.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arvanites

[rothaer]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arvanites#History

I imagine they also assimilated and intermarried with the smaller Greek population left in these areas.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arvanites

I actually miss Greeks that are dealing with the facts of huge Slavic and Albanian contributions to today's Greeks.

And considering that Anatolian Greeks were essentially indigenous Anatolians which also shows genetically, the question even arises what Greeks are.

I don't question their "Greekness" and most ethnicities have emerged by metamorphoses and assimilations but surprisingly you hear nothing like that from Greeks.

Maybe it's a more sensitive thing as most of what the world adores about Greek culture is 1800+ years back.

[rothaer]

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Interesting regarding modern Greek self-preception and identity is also that they do not very much connect to the notable ethnic Greek Empire that lasted for abt. 1,000 years, the Eastern Roman and later Byzantine Empire.

[Voskos]

I actually miss Greeks that are dealing with the facts of huge Slavic and Albanian contributions to today's Greeks.

And considering that Anatolian Greeks were essentially indigenous Anatolians which also shows genetically, the question even arises what Greeks are.

I don't question their "Greekness" and most ethnicities have emerged by metamorphoses and assimilations but surprisingly you hear nothing like that from Greeks.

Maybe it's a more sensitive thing as most of what the world adores about Greek culture is 1800+ years back.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post7958085

[Voskos]

Maybe it's a more sensitive thing as most of what the world adores about Greek culture is 1800+ years back.

Same goes for Germanic culture, it's a mythical past that is adored. I doubt anyone is fond of Germany's WWI and WW2 defeats, or the history of Germanic tribes as roman mercenaries, or modern Germany. Thinking about it, I wonder if there really is anything to adore about Germanic culture, without any intention to look down on it, other than the physical characteristics of the Germans as a race. Which could probably explain why Germans are often praised for their natural and physical characteristics (beauty, physical strength, sports achievements, pure racial genetics), more than they're praised for their cultural achievements. These two are of course connected, but not as much as people think.

[Voskos]

@Pepa, fellow Greek Ali Pasha the Tcham, and Straightman, affinity to Mycenaeans:
https://www.nature.com/articles/nature23310


You're welcome.

[Hellenas]

The Greeks really do have near-mythical origins
https://hellenicrace.freeforums.net/...thical-origins

Ancient DNA analysis reveals Minoan and Mycenaean origins
https://hellenicrace.freeforums.net/...enaean-origins