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    Quote Originally Posted by Historyinterest View Post
    I'm 100% sure that Southern Epirote Greeks have Albanian blood. There's no way that two populations living with/next to each can coexist without reproducing together.
    Remember Ali Pasha? His favorite mistress was a Greek from Epirus

    Lol @ 19th century Western Orientalism for making her look like a blond English woman while depicting him as a Kurd

    She probably was one.

    And no, Epirus was about 90% ethnic Greeks and another 10% Albanians. And that 10% was segregated a lot. The fact that very few Albanians, like Ali Pasha, got together with some Greeks, doesn't change the fact that almost no Greeks and Albanians intermarried.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anaximander View Post
    The south Epirus had predominately Hellenic speaking population, the northern part had a mixed population of Hellenic speakers, and muslims, who happened to be albanian speakers also.

    Napoleon Zervas, a suliote, fought against the musliman albanians and send them to albania.
    I can agree with this.
    How many Albanians are there in modern-day Southern Epirus?

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    Ali Pasha was legendary for his cruelty against the Greeks.

    He became interesting to the world not by displaying his cruelty or cunningness but by displaying the Greek culture to the world which reigned supreme in Epirus.

    That's why he did not prevent Greek schools and the Greek renaissance that was taking hold in Epirus. Thus his cruelty against Greek fighters coexisted with his tolerance for Greek culture.

    Η πραγματικότητα αυτή συνδέεται με το γεγονός ότι ο διαφωτισμός των ελληνικών γραμμάτων, συνέβαλε πρώτα στην καλλιέργεια και δημιουργία της νεοελληνικής ιδεολογίας, ως ιδέα και πραγματικότητα.

    Όταν η νεοελληνική ιδεολογία απόδωσε τους καρπούς της με την ελληνική επανάσταση, τότε μια πλειάδα ανθρώπων των γραμμάτων, αλβανικής και ελληνικής καταγωγής, επικαλέστηκαν τα ίδια πρότυπα, αρχές και θέσεις για να ιδρύσουν την αλβανική εθνική ιδεολογία. Σημαντικό είναι ότι η ελληνική γλώσσα και όχι μόνο, έγινε το μέσο έκφρασης αυτών, ιδιαίτερα από το 1860 όταν ιδρύθηκε η πρώτη εφημερίδα στην ελληνική γλώσσα για το αλβανικό θέμα.

    Ο εθνικός ποιητής των Αλβανών, Ναΐμ Φράσερι το 1866 έγραψε στην ελληνική γλώσσα το ποίημά του «Ο αληθής πόθος των Σκιπετάρων», το οποίο αποτελεί και σήμερα το έμβλημα της αλβανικής εθνικής ιδεολογίας. Οι διάσημοι λόγιοι του Αλβανισμού έβλεπαν στον ελληνισμό τον κύριο εκφραστή και υποστηριχτή της ταυτότητάς τους. Ήξεραν να διακρίνουν κάλλιστα και να επωφεληθούν από τον οικουμενικό ελληνισμό ως υπερχρονική διαφωτιστική αξία, που λειτουργεί πέρα από εθνικισμούς, σοβινισμούς, εχθρότητες, ρατσισμούς, εγωισμούς κλπ.

    Σήμερα στην Αλβανία, επικρατεί η άρνηση της αξίας αυτής, ενώ παραλλήλως, επιδιώκεται η οικειοποίηση, ως αλβανικών, των οικουμενικών αξιών του ελληνικού πολιτισμού, που αποτελεί τα θεμέλια του ευρωπαϊκού και παγκόσμιου πολιτισμού. Τελευταία, επικεφαλής αυτών των προσπαθειών ετέθη ο ίδιος ο Πρωθυπουργός, Ράμα, επιβεβαιώνοντας ότι η αντινομία αυτή στέκει όντως στο θεμέλιο όλων των παρεξηγήσεων, προκαταλήψεων και αντιπαραθέσεων που εμποδίζουν την καλλιέργεια ενός πρότυπου όσον αφορά την κατανόηση, την πρόοδο, τον πολυπολιτισμό και τη συνεργασία μεταξύ γειτόνων.

    Η Εθνική Ελληνική Μειονότητα στην Αλβανία παραμένει ο φορέας των αξιών αυτών, ανεξαρτήτως της αλβανικής κρατικής στάσης απέναντί της. Στην πορεία της προς το μέλλον έχει βγάλει συνεχώς από τη μνήμη της τις αιματηρές εμπειρίες που εμπνέουν εχθρότητες, συγκρούσεις και αντιπαραθέσεις. Λησμόνησε λ.χ. ότι στις αλβανικές φυλακές του 1945-55 η ελληνική γλώσσα ανταγωνίζονταν επάξια την αλβανική.

    Όμως η ιστορία σημειώνει ότι ο Βασιλιάς Ζώγου δεν θα μπορούσε να εγκαθίδρυε το κράτος του χωρίς τη συμβολή των Ελλήνων εντός της επικράτειάς του. Στο Δεύτερο Παγκόσμιο Πόλεμο, η ελληνική μειονότητα τάχτηκε στο πλευρό του αλβανικού λαού, σφραγίζοντας με αίμα και θυσίες όλα τα δικαιώματά της. Στο μεταπολεμικό αλβανικό κράτος, πρόσφερε την πιο αξιόλογη συνεισφορά της, αλλά και πλήρωσε ακριβό τίμημα, λόγω ακριβώς της ικανότητάς της, της συνεισφοράς της και ασφαλώς λόγω της ταυτότητάς της.

    Παρόμοιο χαρακτήρα, εκδηλώνει η ελληνική μειονότητα και σ΄αυτό το τέταρτο αιώνα της αλβανικής μεταπολίτευσης. Εκείνη δεν στάθηκε ποτέ εμπόδιο στην ενταξιακή πορεία της Αλβανίας στους Ευρω-ατλαντικούς θεσμούς, ενώ είχε αρκετούς λόγους να πράξει το αντίθετο. Σήμερα αποτελεί την πιο νομοταγή κοινότητα στην Αλβανία και με τη φιλοσοφία αυτή διαθέτει τις ισχυρότερες οικονομικές επιχειρήσεις στη χώρα.

    Πρόκειται ακριβώς για τη δέσμη αξιών που εξασφαλίζει αξιοπρεπώς στην εθνική ελληνική μειονότητα στην Αλβανία τη θέση όχι απλώς μιας προστιθέμενης αξίας στην αλβανική πραγματικότητα, αλλά μια απαραίτητη και ουσιώδη αξία για την πραγματικότητα αυτή, ένα αγαθό δημοκρατίας και την πρωτοπόρα ευρωπαϊκή πραγματικότητα της Αλβανίας.
    Για τους λόγους αυτούς η εθνική ελληνική μειονότητα δεν μπορεί να καταλαμβάνεται όμηρος κάθε φορά που τα εφήμερα πολιτικά συμφέροντα υπαγορεύουν τριβές με την Ελλάδα. Στην μειονότητα αυτή δεν μπορεί να επιβληθεί η νοοτροπία του ολοκληρωτικού καθεστώτος, ώστε για κάποιο ποταπό προνόμιο να πρέπει να αρνηθεί και να λησμονήσει την εθνική της ταυτότητα.

    Γι’ αυτό και δεν επιτρέπεται ώστε αυτής της μειονότητας να της υφαρπάζονται αδίκως οι περιουσίες της από κρατικές δομές και τη διεφθαρμένη δικαιοσύνη, ή να υφαρπάζονται οι περιουσίες της προς ικανοποίηση του βρώμικου χρήματος και της λαιμαργίας των πολιτικών. Τόσο το χειρότερο όταν τέτοιες ενέργειες αποσκοπούν στην αφομοίωσή της. Δεν μπορεί να επιτραπούν παράγοντες εκτός αυτής της μειονότητας να μιλούν εξ ονόματος της για την εθνική ταυτότητα των μελών της κλπ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Historyinterest View Post
    I can agree with this.
    How many Albanians are there in modern-day Southern Epirus?
    The only Albanians in Southern Epirus were the Chams, who numbered some 18,000 and were expelled from Greece after having collaborated with the Nazis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Historyinterest View Post
    I can agree with this.
    How many Albanians are there in modern-day Southern Epirus?

    There are very few albanian speakers nowadays, many of them came after the Hoxha system collapsed in albania.
    But i suppose they will more common in Epirus in the future, since albanians have higher birth rates than Greeks.
    Even my house in the chorio(village) in south Epirus, an albanian who has migrated there since the 90s, offered me to rent it....
    Of course i rejected the offer.
    When my mother used to live in the 70s-80s his village had 40 children in the school.
    Now it has 3 children , and has no school.........

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    Asking whether Epirote Greeks have Albanian blood is ridiculous since Epirotes pre-exist Albanians. It is more correct to say that Albanians share Epirote blood with Greeks.

    Even Ali Pasha was not fully blooded Albanian. His father was a Greek and Christian (Georgios Adroutsos)and Ali Pasha started the fight against the Turks with his father as a rebel in the mountains. He also married a Greek woman.

    Btw Ali Pasha's dream and efforts was to unite together the Greek and the Albanian people to one nation one country with the Greek as the official language and with freedom of religion. The saint Kosmas the Aetolean was under Ali Pasha's protection.

    Ali Pasha asked for the assistance of Russia to this plan but the Russians rejected it, because they wanted Greece to be only a christian state.In the archives of the Rusian Navy anybody can find the letter of Ali Pasha where he was asking for the Russians to help him make a state with official language the Greek and with freedom of religion.

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    Yes Nazitards like Anaximalba who post about Greek Islanders being brown vs them the real white Hellenes probably do!
    The Talmud tells us that the only language the Torah could be translated into elegantly is Greek.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hahns View Post
    There is no such a thing as Dorian.
    It's a myth
    Dorians was a Greek,Hellenic tribe

    One of four tribes Dorians,Ionians,Acheans,Aeolians

    Instead people here figure them to be i don't know what

    Perhabs they were Aliens who came to Greece from Outer Space to destroy the swarthy Mycanaean Wogs.
    The Talmud tells us that the only language the Torah could be translated into elegantly is Greek.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wvwvw View Post
    Asking whether Epirote Greeks have Albanian blood is ridiculous since Epirotes pre-exist Albanians. It is more correct to say that Albanians share Epirote blood with Greeks.

    Even Ali Pasha was not fully blooded Albanian. His father was a Greek and Christian (Georgios Adroutsos)and Ali Pasha started the fight against the Turks with his father as a rebel in the mountains. He also married a Greek woman.

    Btw Ali Pasha's dream and efforts was to unite together the Greek and the Albanian people to one nation one country with the Greek as the official language and with freedom of religion. The saint Kosmas the Aetolean was under Ali Pasha's protection.

    Ali Pasha asked for the assistance of Russia to this plan but the Russians rejected it, because they wanted Greece to be only a christian state.In the archives of the Rusian Navy anybody can find the letter of Ali Pasha where he was asking for the Russians to help him make a state with official language the Greek and with freedom of religion.
    Do you have a source on Ali Pasha's origin because from what I have read his father was a Moslem Lab bandit. Our tribe historically despised the Greeks.

    Also his correspondence with Russia sounds in line with his character. Ali Pasha was a ruthless pragmatist.

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