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  • Netherlands

    9 69.23%
  • Spain

    4 30.77%
  • Portugal

    5 38.46%
  • Russia

    4 30.77%
  • Switzerland

    4 30.77%
  • Belgium

    3 23.08%
  • Sweden

    3 23.08%
  • Poland

    2 15.38%
  • Czechoslovakia / Bohemia

    1 7.69%
  • Hungary

    3 23.08%
  • Austria

    3 23.08%
  • Croatia

    1 7.69%
  • Serbia

    1 7.69%
  • Ireland

    2 15.38%
  • Romania

    1 7.69%
  • Greece

    5 38.46%
  • Denmark

    1 7.69%
  • Norway

    2 15.38%
  • Finland

    1 7.69%
  • Other

    1 7.69%
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Thread: Which European country/countries after the Big 4 have contributed most in the last Millennium?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Creoda View Post
    It's not a complicated question unless you want it to be.

    You can even divide the fields if you want. For example the Dutch/Flemish are arguably second only to the Italians in Visual Art over the course of the last 1000 years.
    Yes I didn't even mentioned Dutch painters that were very numerous and important. I can't even count the numbers of artists from there, there are really many many of them.

    Netherlands had been very important also for giving artistical innovations like perspective, that was an artistic revolution, possibly even more than the subsequent Renaissance but also many colors had been invented by Dutch/Flemish people.

    In big museums Dutch art sections are as important as French and Italian one with lot of masterpieces.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Creoda View Post
    The thread question was excluding the US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and South Africa.
    Alright then. The top three are the following: UK, Germany, Italy and Russia.

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    Poll added.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pulstar View Post
    He picked a good classifier. Besides rapid development of mankind actually started in late 19th and early 20th century.
    Prizes are a somewhat awkward fit for science. They usually recognize one or a handful of people as much for their leadership as their science. The projects that are recognized, after all, are typically done by large teams of transient grad students and post-doctoral fellows, who contribute a bit before moving on. And, if you go researching the background of most work, you'll find it involves ideas and materials generated by people who weren't even studying the same problem.

    In short, almost all science is a massive endeavor that involves contributions from dozens, if not hundreds, of people, and it's built on a body of knowledge that was assembled by thousands. By picking out just a handful of them to recognize, a prize shortchanges the work of many, many more. And, by typically being limited to honoring one area of research a year and/or specific subject matters, it often leaves out entire fields. The Nobels are especially problematic here, as they focus on the subjects thought to be most important back in the late 1800s.

    There are also legitimate questions about whether the Nobels even do a fair job of recognizing the best scientists. Over the last decades, science has grown increasingly international and diverse, getting critical contributions from a population of scientists that is ever-so-slowly beginning to reflect the population of our planet. Yet the prizes are shifting even more slowly than science as a whole. A study that was released earlier this year found that, even when adjusted for the low gender balances of the past and the lag between discovery and honor, women are badly underrepresented among the prize winners.

    The focus on prizes also badly misrepresents the motives of most scientists. Many of them may go into things hoping that one day they'll be shaking the Swedish king's hand, but that idea generally dies on first contact with graduate school. Yet most scientists slog on because they find the problems interesting, enjoy working with other scientists, and, in many cases, genuinely believe their work will actually make the world a slightly better place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Creoda View Post
    Which countries/nations after the Big 4 of France, Britain, Germany and Italy have contributed the most in the fields of Culture/Arts/Literature, Science, Technology and whatever else in the last 1000 years, in your opinion? Rank them or provide one answer if you wish.
    Well, to keep to just another four I voted the Austria, Hungary, Netherlands and Belgium I might have forgot to add Russia because Austria and Hungary should have been one option as Austro-Hungary.

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    Historically, Greece.

    Now, England, Italy, France and Russia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Samnium;6571297[/QUOTE

    For Netherlands, Netherlands did have contributed to the sciences/arts than Iberia, it's pretty blatant. The sense of "contribution" is really that : "inventions", "discoveries", "important art movements/artists/works".
    Do you know what the Spanish golden age was per chance?? In arts, architecture, literature, discoveries etc, no way Netherlands not even approximate to this. Any Dutch Miguel de Cervantes?

    This being said, I appreciate Dutch arts such as painting.

    Even militarily the Spanish tercios innovated the art of the war combining pikemen, Archebusiers and swordsmen and it were the best army of the world during more than 150 years...

    So saying netherlands has contributed to arts more than Iberia (than Iberia, including Portugal!!!) "in a pretty blatant" way, is a sobrada of you

    About science we could discuss, not in the rest of fields.

    Contribution? Just with the discovery, conquest and colonization of Americas Spain surpasses Netherlands (and the rest of world) to any comparison.

    By the way in these centuries Spain (and overall Portugal) leaded the most technological maritime advances and technics by far. The Portuguese Escuela de Sagres is the best example. Mathematicians, scientists, cartographers, astronomers, navigators, etc worked in Spain and Portugal and that is why both were the best maritime empires in their time by far.
    Last edited by Cristiano viejo; 05-23-2020 at 02:33 AM.

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    Vegas odds-makers gives Netherlands 2 to 1 odds to win this poll

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daco Celtic View Post
    Vegas odds-makers gives Netherlands 2 to 1 odds to win this poll
    Las Vegas... Great Spanish name... Did you notice how great the Spanish vocabulary contributes around the world??
    Yes, I know you noticed it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cristiano viejo View Post
    Las Vegas... Great Spanish name... Did you notice how great the Spanish vocabulary contributes around the world??
    Yes, I know you noticed it...
    Spain is still in the running. Vegas has them at 3 to 1. It could go into overtime.

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