Will NATO ceased to exist?

[Synapsid]

IMO I think the possiblity the NATO will fall apart is strong. The only nations that depend on NATO for mere existence in the small Baltic states, and possibly Poland. Even Hungary is making re-approachment with Russia under Orban. And the Anglosphere nations are drifting away from European affairs, even Britain. Trump and Pence are complaining about how the US is always footing the bills for European defence and wants Germany to cut up its slacks, which was news received with cold receptions in Berlin. Turkey is playing role the boy who cried wolf, one day the wolf might come for it, and no one will be there.

[The Lawspeaker]

Yes. And the sooner it falls apart the better.

[Synapsid]

Yes. And the sooner it falls apart the better.

Macron wants a pan EU army led by France Germany in case the US leaves NATO

[Renekton]

I hope not

[Dr_Maul]

It probably will, NATO is useless now that it is filled with countries who have conflicting ideologies

[Finnish Swede]

If Trump will get his 2 term ... world will be already so much fucked up at 2024 (everywhere outiside of USA) that the next president of USA might not be able fix all the damages anymore. And I don't mean NATO only/now. More like everything what Trump is doing (or opposite not doing).

[Synapsid]

I hope not

I was watching dw doku, it seems Germany has strong stakes in NATO

[Synapsid]

If Trump will get his 2 term ... world will be already so much fucked up at 2024 (everywhere outiside of USA) that the next president of USA might not be able fix all the damages anymore. And I don't mean NATO only/now. More like everything what Trump is doing (or opposite not doing).

hmm.. I think Finns will do well, with or without NATO. Trump is an American centric pro Anglosphere person who really does not have much stake in Europe outside of Britain. His policies makes sense from an America first point of view.

[sean]

IMO I think the possiblity the NATO will fall apart is strong. The only nations that depend on NATO for mere existence in the small Baltic states, and possibly Poland. Even Hungary is making re-approachment with Russia under Orban. And the Anglosphere nations are drifting away from European affairs, even Britain. Trump and Pence are complaining about how the US is always footing the bills for European defence and wants Germany to cut up its slacks, which was news received with cold receptions in Berlin. Turkey is playing role the boy who cried wolf, one day the wolf might come for it, and no one will be there.

NATO only exists because it was a response to Soviet expansionism in the 1940s and 1950s. The Soviet Union is gone. The threat of communism is no longer coming from without, but within. The Russian Federation does not want a conflict with the US because they know they cannot win, at best, it would merely result in equal destruction (if they could even manage that, with the deteriorated state of their nuclear weapons and the improved missile defense systems the US has made in recent decades). Even EU politicians wanted the American troops to leave Europe, so that Russia can finally dictate European policy. But in the end it turned out they wouldn't "disband" NATO, given how their liberal/leftist people who suddenly were so concerned about national security feared and warned about.

As a result of this change in geopolitics, NATO is useless. The only benefit Americans get from it is the ability to station their military closer to economic interests (like the Middle East), and even that is starting to wane in value.

If Americans want a NATO-like union with actual benefits, they should do so with East Asian countries against China. China is the current opponent to American global hegemony, not Russia. The Russians are no longer a serious threat (to the US at least, they could be a risk to European economic interests).

[PaleoEuropean]

An alliance without America equals the same political game of grab ass that caused WW1 or 2.