Hungarians vs Poles - who has more Germanic admix?

[Universe]

Czechs are most Germanic out of these. Romanian average doesn't score any NW Euro.

Target: Czech
Distance: 1.1885% / 0.01188460 | ADC: 0.25x

56.6 Slavic
34.2 Germanic
5.2 Balkan
2.6 Greco-Roman
1.4 Celtic

Target: Romanian
Distance: 1.0632% / 0.01063249 | ADC: 0.25x

51.2 Balkan
39.2 Slavic
9.6 Greco-Roman

What about Serbs, Slovaks, Croats, Slovenes?

[Aspirin]

Hungarians of course, Germans are the main ethnicity with who they interacted the most through history, plus Germans was the main civilisational factor in hungarian history.

[Peterski]

I remember traveling from North-East Germany towards North-West Poland and was expecting many similarities in the looks department, but was surprised what a real division there is with the German-Polish border.

North-West Poland has mostly non-local population after WW2.

Red line shows the division between areas with mostly native population vs. areas with population replacement after WW2:



You need to go to Pomeranian Voivodeship to see mostly native North-West Poles.

For example, the most common surnames in County Puck are:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puck_County

Search by surname: http://nlp.actaforte.pl:8080/Nomina/...join=on&rel=on

Search by county: http://nlp.actaforte.pl:8080/Nomina/NPowStat/GdPu.html

County Puck, Pomeranian Voivodeship:

Rank Surname Women Men Total
1. Dettlaff 484 503 987
2. Konkel 346 315 661
3. Budzisz 326 307 633
4. Kohnke 215 220 435
5. Ceynowa 217 204 421
6. Jeka 215 203 418
7. Styn 201 203 404
8. Wittbrodt 172 223 395
9. Radtke 188 203 391
10. Białk 179 210 389
11. Mudlaff 180 193 373
12. Potrykus 178 189 367
13. Bolda 196 169 365
14. Szymański 161 173 334
15. Klebba 144 146 290
16. Pieper 122 146 268
17. Kuchnowski 145 122 267
18. Ellwart 127 134 261
19. Goyke 113 127 240
20. Marzejon 119 118 237
21. Labudda 113 114 227
22. Nowak 111 110 221
23. Muża 107 113 220
24. Koss 119 100 219
26. Nadolski 116 101 217
27. Renusz 101 109 210
29. Bisewski 101 106 207
30. Drzeżdżon 105 101 206
32. Kreft 93 111 204
33. Hebel 109 94 203
35. Lessnau 93 109 202
37. Tarnowski 106 91 197
38. Felkner 93 99 192
39. Miłosz 85 102 187
40. Derc 93 92 185
41. Kwidziński 94 89 183
43. Lademann 92 90 182
44. Okoń 86 94 180
46. Karsznia 87 90 177
47. Grubba 92 84 176
48. Lieske 80 90 170
49. Wiśniewski 93 76 169
50. Schmidt 80 84 164
... and 6146 other surnames
Total population 36280 36363 72643

[Dunai]

North-West Poland has mostly non-local population after WW2.

Red line shows the division between areas with mostly native population vs. areas with population replacement after WW2:

The graphic shows pretty well that quite a lot of Poles from historic Eastern Poland have relocated to today's Western Poland (including North-West), hence why today that Balto-Slavic look is so strong there.

[Blondie]

Hungarians of course, Germans are the main ethnicity with who they interacted the most through history, plus Germans was the main civilisational factor in hungarian history.

St. Stephen's german knights and priests helped him during the civil war against Koppány's pagans and to create the christian Kingdom of Hungary but i think the latin influence was more significant than german, not just the roman laws, latin alphabet and roman catholic culture but the renaissance too. The german influence started to become significant in the 17. century when one million of catholic german migrated to Hungary after the ottoman descruction and Hungary was part of Habsburg Empire as core region alongside Wien, it was the begining of common austro-hungarian statehood and culture until the WW1.

[Methuselah]

North-West Poland has mostly non-local population after WW2.

Red line shows the division between areas with mostly native population vs. areas with population replacement after WW2:



You need to go to Pomeranian Voivodeship to see mostly native North-West Poles.

For example, the most common surnames in County Puck are:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puck_County

Search by surname: http://nlp.actaforte.pl:8080/Nomina/...join=on&rel=on

Search by county: http://nlp.actaforte.pl:8080/Nomina/NPowStat/GdPu.html

County Puck, Pomeranian Voivodeship:

Rank Surname Women Men Total
1. Dettlaff 484 503 987
2. Konkel 346 315 661
3. Budzisz 326 307 633
4. Kohnke 215 220 435
5. Ceynowa 217 204 421
6. Jeka 215 203 418
7. Styn 201 203 404
8. Wittbrodt 172 223 395
9. Radtke 188 203 391
10. Białk 179 210 389
11. Mudlaff 180 193 373
12. Potrykus 178 189 367
13. Bolda 196 169 365
14. Szymański 161 173 334
15. Klebba 144 146 290
16. Pieper 122 146 268
17. Kuchnowski 145 122 267
18. Ellwart 127 134 261
19. Goyke 113 127 240
20. Marzejon 119 118 237
21. Labudda 113 114 227
22. Nowak 111 110 221
23. Muża 107 113 220
24. Koss 119 100 219
26. Nadolski 116 101 217
27. Renusz 101 109 210
29. Bisewski 101 106 207
30. Drzeżdżon 105 101 206
32. Kreft 93 111 204
33. Hebel 109 94 203
35. Lessnau 93 109 202
37. Tarnowski 106 91 197
38. Felkner 93 99 192
39. Miłosz 85 102 187
40. Derc 93 92 185
41. Kwidziński 94 89 183
43. Lademann 92 90 182
44. Okoń 86 94 180
46. Karsznia 87 90 177
47. Grubba 92 84 176
48. Lieske 80 90 170
49. Wiśniewski 93 76 169
50. Schmidt 80 84 164
... and 6146 other surnames
Total population 36280 36363 72643

How Western does Lewandowski look to you?

[Peterski]

The graphic shows pretty well that quite a lot of Poles from historic Eastern Poland have relocated to today's Western Poland (including North-West), hence why today that Balto-Slavic look is so strong there.

The Balto-Slavic is also strong among native North-Western Poles too.

For example this is Similitude Map of a Polish guy with pre-1918 ancestry from this Red Area (2nd map) at that time part of Provinz Posen:

Note that his similarity to East Germans is 80 and to Czechs only 78, because he does not have Southern European DNA that Czechs have:



All of his known ancestry is from rural areas between these two towns, which corresponds to the area I marked with red color in the map:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mi%C4%99dzych%C3%B3d

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Szamotu%C5%82y

[Peterski]

^^^
And this is Similitude Map of a Masurian from southern East Prussia.

His Balto-Slavic is off the charts, just look at these >85 scores to so many populations:



^^^
His pre-war ancestors are from Kreise Lötzen-Sensburg-Angerburg:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masurians#Population_size

[Peterski]

To be honest it might be because you internalize East Germans and Austrians as being "pure" German and thus Czechs would be closer to them than to the more Slavic Slovaks and Poles.

In Eurogenes K15/K13 Czechs tend to score between South Polish and Austrian or East German as their 1st closest population in Single Distances. I mean, if you run for example 50 Czech kit numbers, about 25 will score "South Polish" and about 25 will score "East German" or "Austrian" as their closest population.

Keep in mind that the East German reference in Eurogenes are Germans from Leipzig.

If the East German was based on samples from for example Rostock, I'm sure all Czechs would score closer to Austrians than to Rostock.

[Hajimurad]

Obviously - Hungarians because they were quite tolerant to German immigrants. They even had a German royal dynasty (Habsburg) and many of their leaders had German origin such as Lajos Kossuth (mother), Janos Kadar (father) etc. When government ordered expulsion of German population after WWII, Hungarians organized protest demonstrations against expulsion.
On contrary Poles had a strong anti-German sentiment which prevented Germanization of their country. First anti-German riots happened during Medieval Ostsiedlung (famous was in Cracow). After WWII Communists from Polish United Labour party cleansed West and North of Poland from it's German population. This is a reason why Poles remained Slavic but Magyars lost their ethnic features.