Finally Turkic (and Mongolic) samples from Mongolia

[Root]

Whoever is J2, R1a, R1b, Q, E1b is a Turan, end of story.

True Europeans are only I2a1b PH908 (I am not biased)

E1b doesn't belong to the Turanic club, and I1 is also a true European, just saying

[eatensemn]

Whoever is J2, R1a, R1b, Q, E1b is a Turan, end of story.)

End of the "J2 is middle-eastern" as well?

[eatensemn]

More caucasoid fathers and more mongoloid mothers, expected.

[Mehmet Udegey]

[Daos777]

How the fuck did E get to mongoria

[Kmakkmak]

Mongolia have a lot of J2a. it is interesting.

[Black Wolf]

A very interesting study although unfortunately some of the samples may have been mixed up. Quoting a user from Antrhogenica.

''Alexey Kovalev of Russian Academy of Sciences says Jeong et al did not ask for permission to use certain samples and that some of the attributions are inaccurate.

KUR001 = AT_635 = I6361 (2618-2487 BC, but questionable date?): incorrectly listed as Afanasievo, this is a secondary burial in a Chemurchek barrow; Kovalev thinks a group of mixed Chemurchek-East Kazakhstan culture. Wang et al has correct info, grouped as Mongolia_EBA_1_Ulgii.

SBG001 = AT_960 (1436-1284 BCE): incorrectly listed as Munkhkhairkhan culture. "Construction of this kurgan and burial custom is wery similar to Begazy-Dandybai culture (Late Andronovo) of neighbouring Kazakhstan."

ULI001 = AT_676 = I6363 (1214-1058 BCE): incorrectly listed as DSKC; should be Mongun-Taiga LBA. Again correctly listed in Wang et al.

ULI003 = AT_680 (1196-1011 BCE): incorrectly listed as Baitag culture. In fact "...burial on the former surface in stone cist on the back in stretched position. Newly discovered Baitag culture characterized by burials in small pits in position with knees up. This kurgan belong to same cultural group like ULZ001 (AT_674)...."

ULI004 = AT_672: this really belongs to Baitag culture. (Too low quality anyway).

ULZ001 = AT_674 = I6362 (1008-856 BCE): incorrectly listed as from Sukhbaatar aimag, but from Khovd aimag. Seems to be correct in Wang et al (Mongolia_LBA_5_CenterWest).

Looks like the information for corresponding samples in Wang et al is correct (hopefully they also got permission!). Well, both are still preprints.''

[Kmakkmak]

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1...03.25.008078v1

Celestial Türks:

NOM001 M U7a3a R1a1a1b2 (R-Z93)
TSB001 M H14b J1a (J-CTS5368)
UGU001 M D2 J2a (J-L559; J-M410)
ULI002 M B4c1a2a J2a (J-L559; J-M410)
ZAA002 M C4a2a1 C2b1a1b1 (C-F3830)
ZAA004 M D4b1a2a1 C2b1a1b1 (C-F3830)
ZAA007 F D4l2 -

Orkhon Uighurs:

OLN001.A F D4 -
OLN001.B M B5b1a Q1a1 (Q-F1215; Q-F1096)
OLN002 F T1a1 -
OLN003 M T1a1 R1b1a2 (R-PF6505; R-M269)
OLN004 F H4a1a1a -
OLN005 M H6b R1b1a2a2 (R-Z2105; R-CTS1078)
OLN007 M D4 C2e1a1a (C-F3864; C-M407)
OLN008 F D4i -
OLN009 F J1b1b1 -
OLN010 M G3a3 R1b1a2a2 (R-Z2105; R-CTS1078)
OLN011 M B5b2a R1b1a2a2 (R-CTS1078)
OLN012 F D4j10 -
ZAA001 F A24 -

Xiongnu:

SKT007 M C4 Q1a2a1c (Q-L334; Q-L330) early Xiongnu

JAG001 M F1b1f - earlyXiongnu_rest
SKT002 M G2a1e R1b (R-M343) earlyXiongnu_rest
SKT004 F U2e1a1 - earlyXiongnu_rest
SKT005 M F1b1f R1b1 (R-M415; R-P25_1) earlyXiongnu_rest
SKT006 M G2a1e R1 (R-P236; R-M173) earlyXiongnu_rest

AST001 F I1a - earlyXiongnu_west
SKT001 F U5a1i - earlyXiongnu_west
SKT003 F I1a - earlyXiongnu_west
SKT008 M H Q1a2a1c (Q-L334; Q-L330) earlyXiongnu_west
SKT009 M I1a R1a1a1b (R-Z647; R-Z645) earlyXiongnu_west
SKT010 F I1a - earlyXiongnu_west
SKT012 M C4a1a4a J2a1h2 (J-L25) earlyXiongnu_west

BRL002 F HV6 - lateXiongnu_sarmatian
BUR001 F T2b - lateXiongnu_sarmatian
BUR002 M U2e1 E1b1b1a1b2 (E-V22; E-L677) lateXiongnu_sarmatian
BUR003 M J2b1a2a R1a1a1b (R-Z647; R-Z645) lateXiongnu_sarmatian
BUR004 F G2a5 - lateXiongnu_sarmatian
DUU001 F D4b1a2a1 - lateXiongnu_sarmatian
HUD001 F K1a19 - lateXiongnu_sarmatian
NAI001 M K1a12a1a J2a1h2 (J-L25) lateXiongnu_sarmatian
NAI002 / NAI003 M C4a2c1 R1a1a1b1 (R-Z283) lateXiongnu_sarmatian
TMI001 F J2b1a2a - lateXiongnu_sarmatian
UGU005 M U4a1 R1a1a1b2a2a (R-Z2123) lateXiongnu_sarmatian
UGU006 M Z1a J1 (J-M267) lateXiongnu_sarmatian
UGU010 M - R1a1a1b2a2a (R-Z2123) lateXiongnu_sarmatian

ATS001 F C4a1a - lateXiongnu_han
BAM001 F D4j3 - lateXiongnu_han
BRU001 M D5b1b2 J1a2b (J-P58) lateXiongnu_han
EME002 F B5a2a1b - lateXiongnu_han
SON001 M D4 NO (NO-M2308; NO-M2313) lateXiongnu_han
TUH001 M B5a2a1a C2b1b1 (C-M86) lateXiongnu_han
TUH002 M B5a2a1a J2a (J-M410) lateXiongnu_han
YUR001 M D5a2a1 N1 (N-L735) lateXiongnu_han

Khitans:

ULA001 M Y1a J2a2 (J-L581) Khitan
ZAA003 F F2a - Khitan
ZAA005 M D4c1b1 J2a (J-L212; J-M410) Khitan

Which Burials in above is Common or Royal?

[L3mon J3lly]

More caucasoid fathers and more mongoloid mothers, expected.

The original Turks/Xiongnu/etc were always primarily the offspring of Caucasoid males with Caucasoid females and Mongoloid females.

[Pater Patota]

The original Turks/Xiongnu/etc were always primarily the offspring of Caucasoid males with Caucasoid females and Mongoloid females.

True.Turkics are offsprings of J2, R1a, R1b Caucasoids males with Mongoloid women.