Italian Gedmatch results [100% APULIAN]

[Samnium]

Target: Italian_Molise
Distance: 1.6756% / 0.01675574
58.4 ANF
29.4 Steppe
7.2 Ganj_Dareh
4.4 Natufian
0.6 WHG

You're right, they have Steppe admixture like the average iberian.

Keep in mind these are averages, I don't know if there are differences between different Apulians, it's possible that Salento would be more Southern shifted than Bari or Foggia, we can use the linguistical map but I don't think that it match perfectly genetics.

But from what I've seen Molisans are on the tail end of the Southern Italian cluster and the most shifted towards Central Italy.

[xripkan]

Keep in mind these are averages, I don't know if there are differences between different Apulians, it's possible that Salento would be more Southern shifted than Bari or Foggia, we can use the linguistical map but I don't think that it match perfectly genetics.

But from what I've seen Molisans are on the tail end of the Southern Italian cluster and the most shifted towards Central Italy.

Indeed there are great differences between Apulians. There are 15 Apulian references at g25. Some of them seem Northern-shifted. I used all the Italian references as a spreadsheet. My closest 50 references include 6 Apulians. Keep in mind that if I take the averages my closest region is Molise then Abruzzo then Marche and after these Apulia.
0.03008021 Italian_MoliseG27
0.03147015 Italian_UmbriaG04
0.03252772 Italian_Abruzzo:Alp162
0.03268941 Italian_Abruzzo:ItalyAbruzzo15
0.03320971 Italian_Abruzzo:ItalyAbruzzo19
0.03333547 Italian_Abruzzo:ItalyAbruzzo22
0.03397708 Italian_Apulia:cera9
0.03436396 Italian_Campania:NaN289RM
0.03509488 Italian_BasilicataG21
0.03523059 Italian_Lazio:NOR28
0.03540677 Italian_Marche:MarACV100D
0.03573718 Italian_Marche:MarADC050D
0.03574312 Italian_Abruzzo:ItalyAbruzzo20
0.03641767 Italian_Apulia:cera8
0.03643999 Italian_UmbriaG03
0.03655792 Italian_Marche:MarACY030D
0.03674234 Italian_UmbriaG05
0.03682001 Italian_Piedmontiedmont154
0.03710720 Italian_Abruzzo:ItalyAbruzzo16
0.03736808 Italian_Marche:MarACO100D
0.03738948 Italian_Marche:MarACW080D
0.03775383 Italian_Campania:NaN119AMR
0.03800904 Italian_LazioG30
0.03837832 Italian_BasilicataG18
0.03841118 Italian_Tuscany:NA20506
0.03853759 Italian_Abruzzo:Alp616
0.03873768 Italian_Abruzzo:ItalyAbruzzo23
0.03890836 Italian_Marche:MarABQ080D
0.03900942 Italian_Abruzzo:ItalyAbruzzo17
0.03904295 Italian_Apulia:ITS7
0.03949758 Italian_Campania:NaN238DM
0.03958607 Italian_BasilicataG17
0.03963647 Italian_Apulia:ALP379
0.03973368 Italian_Campania:ITS2
0.03989044 Italian_Apulia:cera2
0.03990132 Italian_Marche:MarABN020D
0.03995195 Italian_Tuscany:Tuscany74
0.04005421 Italian_Marche:MarADG030D
0.04008538 Italian_Apuliau2
0.04043537 Italian_MoliseG26
0.04044744 Italian_Marche:MarABU050D
0.04045186 Italian_UmbriaG11
0.04045479 Italian_Marche:MarABY030D
0.04089450 Italian_UmbriaG08
0.04105550 Italian_Abruzzo:ALP161
0.04112716 Italian_Abruzzo:ALP205
0.04121942 Italian_Tuscany:MURLO114
0.04128498 Italian_BasilicataG22
0.04130430 Italian_Abruzzo:Alp380
0.04136797 Italian_Tuscany:NA20508

[Samnium]

Indeed there are great differences between Apulians. There are 15 Apulian references at g25. Some of them seem Northern-shifted. I used all the Italian references as a spreadsheet. My closest 50 references include 6 Apulians. Keep in mind that if I take the averages my closest region is Molise then Abruzzo then Marche and after these Apulia.
0.03008021 Italian_MoliseG27
0.03147015 Italian_UmbriaG04
0.03252772 Italian_Abruzzo:Alp162
0.03268941 Italian_Abruzzo:ItalyAbruzzo15
0.03320971 Italian_Abruzzo:ItalyAbruzzo19
0.03333547 Italian_Abruzzo:ItalyAbruzzo22
0.03397708 Italian_Apulia:cera9
0.03436396 Italian_Campania:NaN289RM
0.03509488 Italian_BasilicataG21
0.03523059 Italian_Lazio:NOR28
0.03540677 Italian_Marche:MarACV100D
0.03573718 Italian_Marche:MarADC050D
0.03574312 Italian_Abruzzo:ItalyAbruzzo20
0.03641767 Italian_Apulia:cera8
0.03643999 Italian_UmbriaG03
0.03655792 Italian_Marche:MarACY030D
0.03674234 Italian_UmbriaG05
0.03682001 Italian_Piedmontiedmont154
0.03710720 Italian_Abruzzo:ItalyAbruzzo16
0.03736808 Italian_Marche:MarACO100D
0.03738948 Italian_Marche:MarACW080D
0.03775383 Italian_Campania:NaN119AMR
0.03800904 Italian_LazioG30
0.03837832 Italian_BasilicataG18
0.03841118 Italian_Tuscany:NA20506
0.03853759 Italian_Abruzzo:Alp616
0.03873768 Italian_Abruzzo:ItalyAbruzzo23
0.03890836 Italian_Marche:MarABQ080D
0.03900942 Italian_Abruzzo:ItalyAbruzzo17
0.03904295 Italian_Apulia:ITS7
0.03949758 Italian_Campania:NaN238DM
0.03958607 Italian_BasilicataG17
0.03963647 Italian_Apulia:ALP379
0.03973368 Italian_Campania:ITS2
0.03989044 Italian_Apulia:cera2
0.03990132 Italian_Marche:MarABN020D
0.03995195 Italian_Tuscany:Tuscany74
0.04005421 Italian_Marche:MarADG030D
0.04008538 Italian_Apuliau2
0.04043537 Italian_MoliseG26
0.04044744 Italian_Marche:MarABU050D
0.04045186 Italian_UmbriaG11
0.04045479 Italian_Marche:MarABY030D
0.04089450 Italian_UmbriaG08
0.04105550 Italian_Abruzzo:ALP161
0.04112716 Italian_Abruzzo:ALP205
0.04121942 Italian_Tuscany:MURLO114
0.04128498 Italian_BasilicataG22
0.04130430 Italian_Abruzzo:Alp380
0.04136797 Italian_Tuscany:NA20508

Yeah I know, as I've said I've seen even Apulians plotting in Central Italy so seeing Northern shifted samples here isn't surprising at all.

That's why people have to be very careful with averages, the Calabrian average on G25 has two samples

The minimal amount for making an average

[Leto]

Yeah I know, as I've said I've seen even Apulians plotting in Central Italy so seeing Northern shifted samples here isn't surprising at all.

That's why people have to be very careful with averages, the Calabrian average on G25 has two samples

The minimal amount for making an average

G25 isn't bad but overrated. I'm still more comfortable using Gedmatch, the database is much larger. Go to Reddit and see that most people don't even know Gedmatch, let alone G25. They do 23andme and take it at face value.

[Samnium]

G25 isn't bad but overrated. I'm still more comfortable using Gedmatch, the database is much larger. Go to Reddit and see that most people don't even know Gedmatch, let alone G25. They do 23andme and take it at face value.

I prefer Gedmatch not because of the "precision" but because of the database as you've said, I've found many results there, that you can only dream of for G25.

One thing also : we don't know the location of these G25 samples, in Italy the location is very very important.

Someone from Latina (Southern Latium, near Campania) wouldn't be the same as someone who's from Viterbo region (near Umbria and Tuscany).

Not giving the location is like trowing results with only one truth: that they are from the same region.

So these averages are what they are, nowhere an average of the region.

[crazyladybutterfly]

pretty sure that if he has any normal relevant "northern" ADMIXTURE it is germanic and not slavic.

[Kenshiro]

This is mine, from Gargano (Northeast Apulia)
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This with yourdnaportal k13 and k15
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This ancient with K13 on vahaduo, first yourdnaportal and second gedmatch
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And this with ancient yourdnaportal K15
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[Ajeje Brazorf]

He's a friend's friend. He took My heritage dna test.

He's parents are both from Salento, in Apulia.

Interesting results, I'm just now seeing this thread. Do you know precisely what city or area in Salento your friend is from? The curious thing is that there is a certain rivalry between the people from Bari or in any case from central Apulia and the people from Salento. Their dialects are different and you can tell within the first 3 seconds they open their mouths. The prolonged Greek-Byzantine domination at the expense of the Lombard one has left its mark even in the conformation of the local Romance dialects.



Eurogenes K13

andre_friend (Salento),17.28,10.37,21.79,13.53,29.68,6.43,0.05,0.11,0.34,0.41,0.02

PCA

[Kenshiro]

Target: Italian_Molise
Distance: 1.6756% / 0.01675574
58.4 ANF
29.4 Steppe
7.2 Ganj_Dareh
4.4 Natufian
0.6 WHG

You're right, they have Steppe admixture like the average iberian.

Molise/North Apulia sign similar, but North Apulia have more Balkan