WHG vs Taforalt: Why north africans have morw Hunter Gather ancestry than Euros.

[Rocinante]

Taforalt people were similar to Natufians, no?

No, diffenrent peoples. I think PPN is a mix of both and also ANF but im not sure.

[War Chef]

Some of the Neolithic farmers in Europe were Dzuduana-like. I believe they were modeled like 50% Dzudzuana and 50% AHG (Anatolian Hunter gatherer).

[Synapsid]

Well, ANF literally made a sucessful life and history in Europe, so places like the iberian peninsula, the WHG that went there for a long time, it's not that they left there, the thing is that they didn't reproduce like farmers and the mix was going to be with overwhelming pred. ANF

Target: Iberia_N
Distance: 4.5531% / 0.04553104
86.8 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
13.2 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour

Just 13.2% in Iberia, now let's see NA:

Target: MAR_EN
Distance: 2.9323% / 0.02932326
96.8 Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt
3.2 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin

At the start of the Neolithic, they were just almost nothing of admixture with ANF, but late Neolithic shows the succesful years in NA:

Target: MAR_LN
Distance: 4.2408% / 0.04240759
63.4 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
27.6 Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt
5.4 Natufian_of_Shuqba
3.0 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour
0.6 Ethiopian_Neolithic_Hunter-Gatherer

Strange thing, that it comes up with WHG, curious, i knew already that natufians were transiting Africa but didn't know about people with WHG admixture.

Now something i want to say, is that Taforalt or Iberomaurisian it's more an Euroafrican ancient component that just NA, i know Nass couldn't agree on this, but this is a shared ancient component.

NA got their ANF via Iberia, so WHG came with it. But as you see, the Morrocan farmers have more Taforalt while Iberian farmers have less WHG. And the Taforalt increase after the initial migration of Iberian EEF

[Adamm]

NA got their ANF via Iberia, so WHG came with it. But as you see, the Morrocan farmers have more Taforalt while Iberian farmers have less WHG. And the Taforalt increase after the initial migration Iberian EEF

What haplogroups did these Iberian farmers carried when they entered N. Africa?

[Bestworld]

Taforalt people were similar to Natufians, no?

Natufian is half Taforalt and half Pinarbasi HG.

[Synapsid]

Some of the Neolithic farmers in Europe were Dzuduana-like. I believe they were modeled like 50% Dzudzuana and 50% AHG (Anatolian Hunter gatherer).

No, Anatolian hunter gatherers were literally 99% Dzudzuana, there was a replacement of Dzudzuana like populations in the Caucasus in the Epi paleolithic by ANE rich CHG, but Anatolia, there was continuity. Anatolian farmers were 85% AHG and 15% Natufians, while its was 98% Dzudzuana (since Natufians were 86% Dzudzuana)

[Nassbean]

Now something i want to say, is that Taforalt or Iberomaurisian it's more an Euroafrican ancient component that just NA, i know Nass couldn't agree on this, but this is a shared ancient component.

What do you mean exactly ? ANA is definitely not eurasian but it's technically not SSA too and they compose only one part of taforalt ancestry

[Rocinante]

NA got their ANF via Iberia, so WHG came with it. But as you see, the Morrocan farmers have more Taforalt while Iberian farmers have less WHG. And the Taforalt increase after the initial migration of Iberian EEF

Curious and interesting. We can say that North Africans are today's modern people with more HG admixture, since the most in Europe are the basques and the baltics and they won't reach the 20%

[Nassbean]

The sea was no Barrier because Iberian farmers flooded into North Africa in the Neolithic

WHG is an older and probably less advanced population than those neolithic migrants

[Synapsid]

What haplogroups did these Iberian farmers carried when they entered N. Africa?

They introduced mtDNA K1a (U8 from Anatolia). U6 was the dominant mtDNA for taforalt, followed by H clades. Iberian farmers had G and I2a2 and j2