Detailed specific formal study of IA populations affecting Iranics

[Kyp]

Here is Iron Age Hasanlu. Here you see Iranics are getting much closer to E Europeans after Indo-Europeanization (look at the scale 600 instead of 1400)

The maximum Chi-sq spread between Iranics and Estonians is only about 550 vs about 1200 in the Chalcolithic period before Iran had influx of steppe

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Okay so Armenians are the real Kurds/Medes/Aryans according to MS85/Eline?

[Zoro]

Here we see that BMAC people were very interesting and sort of different from modern of today. The most similar would be Kurmanji Kurds and Baloch but even they are not exactly their immediate relatives otherwise their scores would have been 1800

Also notice how far away Estonians are from BMAC folks

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[Zoro]

Okay so Armenians are the real Kurds according to MS85/Eline?

lol no. They are not significantly ahead. I think Kurds got a little more Sarmatian/Turkic after IA which diluted their Hasanlu a bit. You can see the Sarmatian chart from the previous page where Kurds are quite a bit more related to Sarmatians than Armenians are

[Kyp]

lol no. Neither Armenians nor Kurds score 1400 (they were quite different from any moderns in that area because of all the steppe that came later so I suppose Armenians did not receive as much steppe as Kurds so I suppose their HajiFiruz Chl was diluted by a little less)

Yes but Eline/MS85 claimed IA Hasanlu is a Mede/Aryan.

But again it shows talking about Iranics (Persians, Kurds etc) without migration from North East is pointless. The native element is which could be part Proto-Armenians is shared with Western Iranians, but it's not Iranic.

[Zoro]

Turkmenistan-IA is very Iranic as you may have read in other places

Also notice the gap between Iranics and Estonians is small compared to the other charts I posted

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[Kyp]

lol no. Neither Armenians nor Kurds score 1400 (they were quite different from any moderns in that area because of all the steppe that came later so I suppose Armenians did not receive as much steppe as Kurds so I suppose their HajiFiruz Chl was diluted by a little less)

Yes but Eline/MS85 claimed IA Hasanlu is a Mede/Aryan.

But again it shows talking about Iranics (Persians, Kurds etc) without migration from North East is pointless. The native element which could be part Proto-Armenian is shared with Western Iranians, but it's not Iranic.

[Zoro]

Yes but Eline/MS85 claimed IA Hasanlu is a Mede/Aryan.

But again it shows talking about Iranics (Persians, Kurds etc) without migration from North East is pointless. The native element which could be part Proto-Armenian is shared with Western Iranians, but it's not Iranic.

True

[Zoro]

With Haji-Firuz-IA Kurds with an insignificant lead over Armenians but as Kyp mentioned one should characterize IA Haji Firuz and Hasanlu as general NW Iranic/Armenian instead of assign him to a specific modern group

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[Zoro]

I'll post the others later. Sintashta's chart is interested with Estonians with a huge lead and so is Pakistan-Barikot-IA

[Voskos]

It would've been nice to include Iranians among the populations. Cool study.