"The supposed blondness and paleness of Europeans is highly overrated". Discuss.

[Tooting Carmen]

Looking through my threads about the current MEPs from across the continent, it is quite striking that:

(1) Even in far Northern Europe - Scandinavia, Netherlands, Northern Germany - a lot more people have light brown hair than truly blonde hair. Let alone the relative scarcity of truly blonde hair elsewhere in the continent.

(2) Conversely, olive and sallow skintones are rather more common than is often thought, and not just in Southern Europe either. Even in Denmark I found one rather swarthy woman with no foreign ancestry, while in countries in Southern and even to a lesser degree Central Europe, the percentage with less-than-milky-white skin runs well into double figures. (Just to clarify: olive does NOT mean brown in a Saudi or Pakistani sense. Rather, it is still fairly light skin but with a brunet undertone).

[Samnium]

I agree for blonde hair.

Also dark hair is much more common than thought (not only in the south) those who retain really blonde hair are rare.

[Tooting Carmen]

I agree for blonde hair.

Also dark hair is much more common than thought (not only in the south) those who retain really blonde hair are rare.

Didn't you say that in your part of France there are a lot of blondes? Certainly I'd imagine in most of France - at least south of Paris, at any rate - dark brown hair is many times more common than blonde hair.

[AdrianV]

Look. Europeans created all first world countries (almost killed them as well) and hot blondes are globally exotic.

[Septentrion]

Didn't you say that in your part of France there are a lot of blondes? Certainly I'd imagine in most of France - at least south of Paris, at any rate - dark brown hair is many times more common than blonde hair.

Wrong. For the French, it is rather medium to dark brown hair tones which are the commonest, much so than dark brown to black tones.

[Creoda]

The blondness of Europeans is overrated on this forum certainly, not sure about real life. If it is in real life, it's because so many women are bottle blondes these days.

Also looking at MEPs isn't a great guide as they're usually old, people's hair darkens with age before greying.

If anything paleness is underrated with how many women use fake tan (wtf is wrong with women), at least in Northern Europe/Anglosphere.

[Zeno]

I wouldn't say so.

in fact, especially for Northern Europe, the northern European folks are darkwashed a lot. There are studies in Europe, in which tens of thousands were examined, which shows that they're 70+% blonde, especially in Sweden and Finland.

Southern Europeans are also darkwashed, especially with some individuals posting MENA-looking southern Europeans. For example, in real life, Greeks are by a vast majority: Atlanto-Med, Pontid, Alpine, Dinaric and dark-haired and dark-eyed (duh and thankfully), and a minority is light-haired and light-eyed. Now, this minority of light-eyed and light-haired Greeks isn't small. What is small however, is the percentage of Nordid Greeks. They are only one digit in numbers, 4-7% in the pure form.

As for the MPs from around Europe you post, I wouldn't say MPs are representative. Neither do football teams. How about posting normal individuals?

[Septentrion]

Looking through my threads about the current MEPs from across the continent, it is quite striking that:

(1) Even in far Northern Europe - Scandinavia, Netherlands, Northern Germany - a lot more people have light brown hair than truly blonde hair. Let alone the relative scarcity of truly blonde hair elsewhere in the continent.

(2) Conversely, olive and sallow skintones are rather more common than is often thought, and not just in Southern Europe either. Even in Denmark I found one rather swarthy woman with no foreign ancestry, while in countries in Southern and even to a lesser degree Central Europe, the percentage with less-than-milky-white skin runs well into double figures. (Just to clarify: olive does NOT mean brown in a Saudi or Pakistani sense. Rather, it is still fairly light skin but with a brunet undertone).

No. It really depends. All that should that should be noted is that blondness and red-hairedness are much more visible in childhood and becomes less visible with Age. It is not only Scandinavia, the Netherlands, Northern Germany, but also in British Isles, Northern Poland, Baltic States, parts of Northwestern Russia .

[Creoda]

As for the MPs from around Europe you post, I wouldn't say MPs are representative. Neither do football teams. How about posting normal individuals?

Politicians and (native) footballers are far more representative of average phenotypes than actors or models, which is most of what's posted on this forum.

Although footballers and sportspeople generally look less normal now than they did 30-50 years ago, at least it seems that way to me. Then again ordinary people look faker now than they ever did in the past, especially women.

[Jana]

I agree with this. Europeans are quite darker than presented by anthrotards, including northern Europeans.