"The supposed blondness and paleness of Europeans is highly overrated". Discuss.

[Septentrion]

I made a visually enhanced version of a skin colour chart i made some time ago, and uploaded it on reddit, take a look (i can't upload large images here, so i just put the link direct to the post):

https://www.reddit.com/r/Infographic...ution_in_some/

and the direct link to the image:

https://i.redd.it/zoo3h54brye41.png

Awesome, pretty good.

[Septentrion]

Looking through my threads about the current MEPs from across the continent, it is quite striking that:

(1) Even in far Northern Europe - Scandinavia, Netherlands, Northern Germany - a lot more people have light brown hair than truly blonde hair. Let alone the relative scarcity of truly blonde hair elsewhere in the continent.

(2) Conversely, olive and sallow skintones are rather more common than is often thought, and not just in Southern Europe either. Even in Denmark I found one rather swarthy woman with no foreign ancestry, while in countries in Southern and even to a lesser degree Central Europe, the percentage with less-than-milky-white skin runs well into double figures. (Just to clarify: olive does NOT mean brown in a Saudi or Pakistani sense. Rather, it is still fairly light skin but with a brunet undertone).

Blonde hair is centered further east, in Sweden, Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Poland. You know the lands where ash blondes are commonest. Brunette hair is centered further south in Portugal, Spain, Italy, Greece, Bulgaria, lands where there is an easy transition from dark brown to black hair shades.

[Tooting Carmen]

The funniest thing of all about this forum is how, on the one hand, so many of its members claims to be proud patriots, yet several of the Southern European members (and possibly to a lesser extent Eastern European ones) go apeshit when someone posts people who look distinctly of those ethnicities, rather than those with a more generic pan-European look.

Is it really the case that anyone with blackish hair/curly hair/dark olive skin must be Gypsy/Turkish/Jewish/South American/Arab/goodness knows what else?

[Tooting Carmen]

Take this thread, for example. Lots of people saying they look Gypsy, when they are nowhere near as dark and exotic as ethnic Romanians can get: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...e-Cheeky-Girls

[Septentrion]

The funniest thing of all about this forum is how, on the one hand, so many of its members claims to be proud patriots, yet several of the Southern European members (and possibly to a lesser extent Eastern European ones) go apeshit when someone posts people who look distinctly of those ethnicities, rather than those with a more generic pan-European look.

Is it really the case that anyone with blackish hair/curly hair/dark olive skin must be Gypsy/Turkish/Jewish/South American/Arab/goodness knows what else?

No, black hair, brown eyes and a olive skin is found in Europeans, especially Southern Europeans such as Italians, Spaniards, Portuguese, Bulgarians, Greeks, Macedonians, Albanians and Romanians. There is a self - denial, because they do not want to be confused with non-European Caucasoids. They are fiercely proud of their European heritage. Others have developed an inferiority complex, feeling «less European», because they are darker than the European average. I see it as a form of cowardice, when one feels that way. Europe is not uniformly blond/brunet/ginger nor is it uniformly blue/green/brown-eyed, and also not uniformly pale/fair/light brown - skinned. We see it even in Northern Europe, the world’s lightest - pigmented region, the frequency of pure blonde hair diminishes progressively as one gets further away from the «Blond Core» in Scandinavia and Baltic States. Nevertheless, those who tend to associate darker Europeans with Arabs, Gypsies, Northern African, Persians, etc... are in the wrong or simply ignorant. Europeans are distinct enough from other populations worldwide whether physically and genetically too. Our facial features, body types are different, even when pigmentation levels could be close. For example the average Syrian look nothing like the average Italian! So such linkage should stop.

[Finnish Swede]

The funniest thing of all about this forum is how, on the one hand, so many of its members claims to be proud patriots, yet several of the Southern European members (and possibly to a lesser extent Eastern European ones) go apeshit when someone posts people who look distinctly of those ethnicities, rather than those with a more generic pan-European look.

Is it really the case that anyone with blackish hair/curly hair/dark olive skin must be Gypsy/Turkish/Jewish/South American/Arab/goodness knows what else?

Thinking about the thread's title .... I think being ''European'' is the one which is overrated here (forums)!
If you don't like some type / charasteristics / skin colors / eye colors / hair color / other features then you don't. Our preferences varies person by person. Nothing bad on that.
Being ''European'' does not change that/those.

Of course I can not speak behalf of any others, but personally? I have few times said that being European means pretty much next to nothing for me (what comes to looks). It is far of being enough. If it means something, then it is more like culture matters (all Christians behaves at least bit similar ways vs rest of humans).

I see/feel myself Scandinavian. That is more than enough for me (plus I'm fully fine/balanced with that). I wish all the rest (more insecure people?) could feel the same. Oh, I don't need whole Europe (not to talking about the rest of the world). Who does? EU?

[YoungSkywalker]

Well, I think especially the blondness and paleness of Scandinavians is very overrated.

According to my experience, people often seem to assume that all Scandinavians have to have blonde hair and blue eyes and that every dark-haired person in Scandinavia must have a foreign background.

I think Scandinavians have much more brown-haired people (especially light brown hair) than we'd like to believe.

[Finnish Swede]

Well, I think especially the blondness and paleness of Scandinavians is very overrated.

According to my experience, people often seem to assume that all Scandinavians have to have blonde hair and blue eyes and that every dark-haired person in Scandinavia must have a foreign background.

I think Scandinavians have much more brown-haired people (especially light brown hair) than we'd like to believe.

Not going to debate of that matter ... but to keep things how they are today ... that is the main reason why I'm against race mixing of different phenotypes/sub-races of Europeans.

[Tooting Carmen]

Well, I think especially the blondness and paleness of Scandinavians is very overrated.

According to my experience, people often seem to assume that all Scandinavians have to have blonde hair and blue eyes and that every dark-haired person in Scandinavia must have a foreign background.

I think Scandinavians have much more brown-haired people (especially light brown hair) than we'd like to believe.

Precisely.

[renaissance12]

Not going to debate of that matter ... but to keep things how they are today ... that is the main reason why I'm against race mixing of different phenotypes/sub-races of Europeans.

They say that the LAST reall blonde human being will disapear in Finland in 2.220.. A.D.