Germanic Dorian Invasion of Greece.

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We have samples from Mycenaean era and samples from Iron Age much later the collapse of Mycenaean world and the Dorian domination. These samples are identical. This proves that Dorians were not different than other Greek tribes.

The sample from Spain? We have no idea where it's from, if we want to be sure of how Dorians looked like let's actually wait for proper samples from mainland Doric or NW Greece.

[xripkan]

The sample from Spain? We have no idea where it's from, if we want to be sure of how Dorians looked like let's actually wait for proper samples from mainland Doric or NW Greece.

They were from the ancient Greek city of Emporion (Empuries) in Spain. They are identical to Myceneaens. It is a proof that ancient Greeks did not change genetically from Mycenaean period untill 4th century BC ( and probably untill the Hellenistic era).

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They were from the ancient Greek city of Emporion (Empuries) in Spain. They are identical to Myceneaens. It is a proof that ancient Greeks did not change genetically from Mycenaean period untill 4th century BC ( and probably untill the Hellenistic era).

It's not proof of anything, if it's Phocaean it came from Ionian Anatolia, hardly the best specimen for "Dorians"

[Faklon]

Dorians were EV13 niggers, Pelops means black-faced.

His descendant Hercules was an ancient basketaball player that got Mycenaean passport,



Pelops reconstruction,

[xripkan]

It's not proof of anything, if it's Phocaean it came from Ionian Anatolia, hardly the best specimen for "Dorians"

Dorians dominated the Greek world uring 1100 BC. The Greek cities and the whole Greek world were in interaction during the Antiquity. The ancient Greeks were not isolated in every city or region so they could not be very different genetically.
The Greek samples of Empuries are dated to 4th century BC. If Dorians that had dominated Greece during the 11th century BC were a genetically different population, the Greeks of 4th century BC would not be identical to Mycenaeans.

[Faklon]

Here's an essay on Dorians (probably posted over 100 years in the last 6-7 years here).

http://www.casa-kvsa.org.za/1969/AC12-03-Dietrich.pdf

There is no evindence to support they could have been a different people.

Dorians dominated the Greek world uring 1100 BC. The Greek cities and the whole Greek world were in interaction during the Antiquity. The ancient Greeks were not isolated in every city or region so they could not be very different genetically.
The Greek samples of Empuries are dated to 4th BC. If a genetically different population had dominated Greece during the 11th century BC the Greeks of 4th century BC would not be idential to Mycenaeans.

Why couldn't they have mixed with ancient Catalans?

[xripkan]

Here's an essay on Dorians (probably posted over 100 years in the last 6-7 years here).

http://www.casa-kvsa.org.za/1969/AC12-03-Dietrich.pdf

There is no evindence to support they could have been a different people.



Why couldn't they have mixed with ancient Catalans?

You mean Empuries samples? They do not seem to have Celtic/Iberian admixture.

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Dorians dominated the Greek world uring 1100 BC. The Greek cities and the whole Greek world were in interaction during the Antiquity. The ancient Greeks were not isolated in every city or region so they could not be very different genetically.
The Greek samples of Empuries are dated to 4th century BC. If Dorians that had dominated Greece during the 11th century BC were a genetically different population, the Greeks of 4th century BC would not be identical to Mycenaeans.

Greeks are very genetically different today even when you just look at Aegeans and Mainland Greeks, there is absolutely no reason why they would be homogeneous when they were divided in city states that had very strict laws on citizenship and when they were divided ethnically, politically and linguistically.