Germanic Dorian Invasion of Greece.

**~~Epirus DNA~~** · 04-07-2020, 07:35 PM

The Günther theory (discredited today), started by German Nazi scientist Hans K. Günther suggests that ancient Greeks were of the Nordic sub-race.

Günther himself, however, was very selective to his evidence and ignored proof that suggested otherwise, even when it came from his colleagues. More specifically Angel J. L’s A racial analysis of the ancient Greeks, 1942 later disproved the Günther theory. (Also: Lerna, a pre-classical site in the Argolid, 1971). Modern supporters of the Günther theory use as evidence the fact that some ancient Greek gods and others (ex: Achilles) are described as blonde - a very unscientific approach that we will debunk anyway. The ancient Greek perception of color was different from ours. Achilles is described as “Xanthos”, which in modern Greek does indeed mean blonde, however, it most probably did not in Homer’s time. We can verify this by the fact that when the Greeks met the Celts (A blonde tribe) described them as “White-haired”, which proves that “Xanthos” meant something entirely different. Aristotle himself compared the color to things that we would call brown today, so it probably meant brunet. Another reason why this is an unscientific approach is that blonde =/= Nordic, and there were definitely blonde Mediterranean people, just less common. It is known that Hitler himself did not believe in this theory but let it spread for propaganda purposes. This can be confirmed from his Mein Kampf quote “If the Germans in the ancient times lived in the south, they would have created a civilization similar to that of the Greeks”.

**xripkan** · 04-07-2020, 08:24 PM

Originally Posted by SharpFork

Stop with this "Mycenean-like" bullshit, they were not Mycenean like:

Spoiler!

The "Iranian" label ought to be "Near Eastern" or somethnig like that.

Originally Posted by SharpFork

Also we have no actual samples from Iron age(outside one East Eurasian admixed one) or Byzantine Anatolia, but apparently you magically know they were quite different, according to god knows what.

Instead of attacking me I would suggest you to study more about genetics. You are just making wrong assumptions.
Neolithic South Greece + Isparta_EBA-like populations=Minoans
Target: GRC_Minoan_Lassithi
Distance: 1.6432% / 0.01643208
74.0 GRC_Peloponnese_N
26.0 Anatolia_Isparta_EBA
This is what I try to explain you that these references are wrong because they are somewhat ancestral to Ancient Greeks.
If you want to model with both Ancient Greek and Anatolia references you can just use the Ancient Greek samples and the Greek Central Anatolia sample which also contains some Mycenaean DNA.
You can also try populations like ARM_LBA, Iran_Hajji_Firuz and some Levant to capture the extra eastern genetic components modern Greeks have, comparing to Ancient Greeks.
Central Anatolian Greeks are the descendants of Anatolian populations of Byzantine empire. This is why these samples can be used as proxy for Medieval Anatolian populations.
Read here:
https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....-s-perspective
Furthermore we have an Anatolian Greek from the Ottoman era. Check
IND_Roopkund_B_o,0.108132,0.144205,-0.044123,-0.061047,-0.008309,-0.0251,-0.000705,-0.007154,-0.018816,0.012392,0.011367,0.00015,-0.004608,0.004954,-0.011672,-0.005038,0.007041,0.003801,0.005656,-0.01088,-0.005116,0.000618,0.001849,0.001807,0.006227
In general all the data we have just verify the historical truth. Except you have a different view about the historical truth.

**Teutone** · 04-07-2020, 08:28 PM

Epirus DNA is a cuck

Besides that who is more Dorian? Superdorian or the normal Dorian?

**Geni** · 04-07-2020, 08:33 PM

In reality these germans come from Albania...

**Geni** · 04-07-2020, 08:35 PM

Originally Posted by Geni

In reality these germans come from Albania...

because in north Greece is only Albania...

**xripkan** · 04-07-2020, 09:00 PM

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**xripkan** · 04-07-2020, 09:01 PM

Originally Posted by Geni

In reality these germans come from Albania...

If you mean the Dorians were an Illyrian tribe why didn't they speak an Illyrian language?

**Geni** · 04-07-2020, 09:08 PM

No ...it is a teory that dorians that live in arcaic times in Albania was pushed by the illyrian invasion versus the mycenean civilisation in the south...but if this is truth i am not sure but logic is..