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    well we in pakistan dont associate with terms like caucasoid/austrolids etc , they have little value to me other than academic interests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukasz View Post
    South MiddleEasterners (Palestinians/ Jordanians, not to mention Saudis and Yemenis) have SSA admix too.
    some south europeans too (we have good examples on this site)

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    Some MENA has SSA but it is not blown up like it is in GEDMatch.

    In G25, Egyptians are 10% SSA on average and not 25%, which would let people believe that they are a quadroon population.

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    I don't consider South Asians to be Caucasoid. They are too mixed with other groups. I think they are their own unique race, with their own North/South cline.

    All the other groups are Caucasoid unless heavily mixed. To me, to be taken out of the group (any group), the mixture has to be enough to significantly influence phenotype. That is to say, if someone looks at you and cannot identify you as being of that particular group, then you are not of that group anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SweetCandy View Post
    Are South/Central Asians, Middle Easterners and North Africans really Caucasian racially?
    I’d say Middle - Easterners and Northern Africans are Caucasoids. I think South Asians should be in their own race ( Indid), Central Asians are not. However Caucasoids doesn’t automatically mean “White” though.
    White Race= Europid Race
    https://i.4pcdn.org/pol/1386899483201.png

    Non - European Caucasoids = Non - Whites
    https://i.4pcdn.org/pol/1390781490235.png

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nassbean View Post
    some south europeans too (we have good examples on this site)
    I had constant SSA noise on most calcs 0,2-1%.

    This is why I hide my nigga lips on avatar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Septentrion View Post
    I’d say Middle - Easterners and Northern Africans are Caucasoids. I think South Asians should be in their own race ( Indid), Central Asians are not. However Caucasoids doesn’t automatically mean “White” though.
    White Race= Europid Race
    https://i.4pcdn.org/pol/1386899483201.png

    Non - European Caucasoids = Non - Whites
    https://i.4pcdn.org/pol/1390781490235.png
    Central Asian can mean heavily mongoloid Kazakhs and Kyrgyz , to Caucasoid tajiks, pamiris , pashtuns . The former are not Caucasoid whilst the latter are usually above 85% western eurasian .

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    According to the population genetics research I’ve seen all ethnic Europeans (Ethnic groups indigenous to Europe) besides the Sami and Finns, are 95%+ Caucasoid with Finns being in the 90-94.9% Caucasoid range, and Sami being in the 60-74.9% Caucasoid range. In Western Asia, Armenians, Georgians, North Caucasians, Persians, Kurds, Assyrians, and Jews, are 95%+ Caucasoid, while West Asian Arabs, Anatolian Turks, North Caucasian Turks, Azerbaijanis, Baluchis, Pashtuns, and Tajiks, are 90-94.9% Caucasoid. In North Africa, both Berbers and North African Arabs range from 75-89.9% Caucasoid. In South Asia, Punjabis, Sindhis, Gujaratis, and Dards (including Kashmiris), are 75-89.9% Caucasoid, Hindustanis (the Hindi-speaking people of Northern India) and Marathis are 60-74.9% Caucasoid, Bengalis, Nepalis, Assamese, Oriyas, Sinhalas, and most Dravidians, are 40-59.9% Caucasoid, some Dravidians are 25-39.9% Caucasoid, and Mundas and Veddas are 10-24.9% Caucasoid. In Central Asia, Chuvash, Tatars, Bashkirs, Turkmens, and Uzbeks, are 60-74.9% Caucasoid, Hazaras and Uygurs are 40-59.9% Caucasoid, and Kazakhs and Kyrgyz are 25-39.9% Caucasoid. In the Horn of Africa, the Cushites and Hebashas are 40-59.9% Caucasoid.

    Taking these estimates into consideration, I would say any ethnic group that’s 90%+ genetically Caucasoid is undisputedly Part of the Caucasoid Race, while any ethnic group in the 75-89.9% Caucasoid range, would probably still be included in the Caucasoid Race in most circumstances. However, any ethnic groups thats less then 75% genetically Caucasoid is clearly to mixed to be viewed as anthropologically Caucasoid, because at this level of admixture, it’s hard not to assume that their Non-Caucasoid ancestry wouldn’t show in their Phenotype (Nose form, Hair texture, Facial profile, Malar form, Skin color, Eye form, etc.), not just their Genotype (% of Autosomal genetic ancestry from the major racial groups), unlike at lower levels of admixture (especially less them 10%), the Non-Caucasoid admixture usually wouldn’t affect the phenotype, and would require DNA testing to prove. Thus, its clear that all the indigenous ethnic groups of Europe (excluding the Sami obviously) and West Asia are undisputedly Caucasoid, while the indigenous ethnic groups of North Africa and Northwestern South Asia (Kashmir, Punjab, Sindh, and Gujarat), would be considered Caucasoid in most circumstances. However, the indigenous ethnic groups of the Horn of Africa, Non-Northwestern South Asia, and Central Asia, are clearly to mixed to be considered true Caucasoids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vojnik View Post
    North Africans have some Negroid admixture. South Asians have Dravidian admixture.

    I believe the only pure Caucasoids are Europeans and Middle Easterners.

    Whites are only those who are of the original peoples of Europe.
    Steppe component is also white.
    White=steppe+whg
    Even EEFs don't look whote. This is the ultimate whiteness map:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Altaison View Post
    Steppe component is also white.
    White=steppe+whg
    Even EEFs don't look whote. This is the ultimate whiteness map:
    I mostly agree with this map,except few places...
    But ladogan definitely isn't fully white and asian mixed, it came from beyond urals, north baltic too. You might as well include fenno-nordic too, but that phenotype's really with the question mark

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