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    Quote Originally Posted by Celtíbero Itálico View Post
    1/8 of NA in iberians is A LOT. Look:

    Target: Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
    Distance: 3.7988% / 0.03798810 | ADC: 0.25x
    56.0 Neolithic_Farmer
    32.6 Steppe
    10.2 WHG
    1.2 Iberomaurusian

    Target: Portuguese
    Distance: 3.3099% / 0.03309911 | ADC: 0.25x
    53.8 Neolithic_Farmer
    33.4 Steppe
    8.8 WHG
    4.0 Iberomaurusian

    Target: Spanish_Pais_Vasco
    Distance: 5.5389% / 0.05538932 | ADC: 0.25x
    54.2 Neolithic_Farmer
    30.6 Steppe
    15.2 WHG

    Target: Spanish_Galicia
    Distance: 3.5553% / 0.03555260 | ADC: 0.25x
    53.0 Neolithic_Farmer
    33.8 Steppe
    10.0 WHG
    3.2 Iberomaurusian

    Target: Spanish_Andalucia
    Distance: 3.6151% / 0.03615113 | ADC: 0.25x
    54.6 Neolithic_Farmer
    32.4 Steppe
    9.8 WHG
    3.2 Iberomaurusian
    Try removing the ADC thing, also 1/8 is in line with the the ratio between Iberomaurusian in Portuguese and Galicians and Moroccans, it was a maximum anyway

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celtíbero Itálico View Post
    1/8 of NA in iberians is A LOT. Look:
    It's not a lot, but it's the max you could find in Western Iberia.
    Iberomaurusian doesn't equals North African, Moroccans themselves have 1/3 of it, you can be sure that a part of it is in the Neolithic Farmer, considering that the purpose of this model is to be as basic as possible.

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    Target: Iberia_Southeast_c.10-16CE:I3808
    Distance: 1.8891% / 0.01889087
    38.2 GRC_Peloponnese_N
    26.4 Bell_Beaker_NLD
    21.4 Levant_Natufian
    8.8 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    4.0 MAR_EN
    1.2 RUS_Karelia_HG

    Target: Iberia_Southeast_c.10-16CE:I7424
    Distance: 3.2494% / 0.03249434
    38.4 Bell_Beaker_NLD
    35.2 GRC_Peloponnese_N
    14.4 Levant_Natufian
    4.8 MAR_EN
    2.6 GEO_CHG
    2.6 WHG
    2.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N

    Target: Iberia_Southeast_c.10-16CE:I7499
    Distance: 1.8269% / 0.01826887
    30.8 Bell_Beaker_NLD
    29.4 GRC_Peloponnese_N
    23.6 Levant_Natufian
    6.4 GEO_CHG
    5.2 MAR_EN
    2.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    1.4 WHG
    0.8 Yoruba

    I can’t be bothered to do the rest I’m to lazy get over it. Wow the top one even scores Iranian mental
    Last edited by marco; 04-04-2020 at 01:19 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marco View Post
    Target: Iberia_Southeast_c.10-16CE:I3808
    Distance: 1.8891% / 0.01889087
    38.2 GRC_Peloponnese_N
    26.4 Bell_Beaker_NLD
    21.4 Levant_Natufian
    8.8 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    4.0 MAR_EN
    1.2 RUS_Karelia_HG

    Target: Iberia_Southeast_c.10-16CE:I7424
    Distance: 3.2494% / 0.03249434
    38.4 Bell_Beaker_NLD
    35.2 GRC_Peloponnese_N
    14.4 Levant_Natufian
    4.8 MAR_EN
    2.6 GEO_CHG
    2.6 WHG
    2.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N

    Target: Iberia_Southeast_c.10-16CE:I7499
    Distance: 1.8269% / 0.01826887
    30.8 Bell_Beaker_NLD
    29.4 GRC_Peloponnese_N
    23.6 Levant_Natufian
    6.4 GEO_CHG
    5.2 MAR_EN
    2.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    1.4 WHG
    0.8 Yoruba

    I can’t be bothered to do the rest I’m to lazy get over it. Wow the top one even scores Iranian mental
    Funny how some people mix Bell Beaker with WHG and EEF together

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethel View Post
    It's not a lot, but it's the max you could find in Western Iberia.
    Iberomaurusian doesn't equals North African, Moroccans themselves have 1/3 of it, you can be sure that a part of it is in the Neolithic Farmer, considering that the purpose of this model is to be as basic as possible.
    I know, you are all right on this. This is a Mesolithic-Neolithic component IMO.

    Quote Originally Posted by SharpFork View Post
    Try removing the ADC thing, also 1/8 is in line with the the ratio between Iberomaurusian in Portuguese and Galicians and Moroccans, it was a maximum anyway
    Target: Spanish_Andalucia
    Distance: 3.4796% / 0.03479575
    52.6 Neolithic_Farmer
    31.4 Steppe
    11.2 WHG
    4.8 Iberomaurusian

    Target: Spanish_Aragon
    Distance: 4.0695% / 0.04069520
    53.8 Neolithic_Farmer
    31.6 Steppe
    12.2 WHG
    2.4 Iberomaurusian

    Target: Spanish_Asturias
    Distance: 5.3239% / 0.05323919
    51.0 Neolithic_Farmer
    31.4 Steppe
    12.6 WHG
    5.0 Iberomaurusian

    Target: Spanish_Baleares
    Distance: 2.9897% / 0.02989694
    54.2 Neolithic_Farmer
    34.0 Steppe
    9.8 WHG
    2.0 Iberomaurusian

    Target: Spanish_Canarias
    Distance: 2.9820% / 0.02981955
    50.0 Neolithic_Farmer
    29.8 Steppe
    10.0 Iberomaurusian
    9.0 WHG
    0.8 Neolithic_South_Africa
    0.4 Natufian_Culture

    Target: Spanish_Cantabria
    Distance: 3.8917% / 0.03891659
    53.4 Neolithic_Farmer
    32.0 Steppe
    12.8 WHG
    1.8 Iberomaurusian

    Target: Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
    Distance: 3.6694% / 0.03669438
    54.0 Neolithic_Farmer
    31.6 Steppe
    11.6 WHG
    2.8 Iberomaurusian

    Target: Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
    Distance: 3.8966% / 0.03896642
    50.8 Neolithic_Farmer
    32.6 Steppe
    11.2 WHG
    5.4 Iberomaurusian

    Target: Spanish_Cataluna
    Distance: 3.5717% / 0.03571707
    52.0 Neolithic_Farmer
    32.4 Steppe
    12.8 WHG
    2.8 Iberomaurusian

    Target: Spanish_Extremadura
    Distance: 3.1230% / 0.03123035
    51.8 Neolithic_Farmer
    32.2 Steppe
    10.6 WHG
    5.4 Iberomaurusian

    Target: Spanish_Galicia
    Distance: 3.4186% / 0.03418630
    51.2 Neolithic_Farmer
    32.6 Steppe
    11.4 WHG
    4.8 Iberomaurusian

    Target: Spanish_La_Rioja
    Distance: 2.9109% / 0.02910855
    58.4 Neolithic_Farmer
    25.2 Steppe
    15.2 WHG
    1.2 Iberomaurusian

    Target: Spanish_Murcia
    Distance: 3.0135% / 0.03013508
    53.6 Neolithic_Farmer
    30.8 Steppe
    11.2 WHG
    4.2 Iberomaurusian
    0.2 Mayahak_Cab_Pek_Cave

    Target: Spanish_Navarra
    Distance: 4.5340% / 0.04534014
    53.8 Neolithic_Farmer
    31.0 Steppe
    13.0 WHG
    2.2 Iberomaurusian

    Target: Spanish_Pais_Vasco
    Distance: 5.5121% / 0.05512075
    53.2 Neolithic_Farmer
    30.2 Steppe
    16.4 WHG
    0.2 Iberomaurusian

    Target: Spanish_Valencia
    Distance: 3.5247% / 0.03524710
    53.0 Neolithic_Farmer
    31.8 Steppe
    12.4 WHG
    2.8 Iberomaurusian

    Target: Portuguese
    Distance: 3.1539% / 0.03153872
    51.6 Neolithic_Farmer
    32.4 Steppe
    10.4 WHG
    5.6 Iberomaurusian

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celtíbero Itálico View Post
    I know, you are all right on this. This is a Mesolithic-Neolithic component IMO.
    The evidence we have directly contradicts this, at the earliest some of it came during the Copper Age in the South and appeared northwards from there only during the Roman period, not prior.

    Not having 1-2% Natufian/Iranian/SSAfrican doesn't change the fact that there is very little Iberomaurisian in dozens of samples until the copper age in some parts and Roman period in others.

    You are selectively looking at smaller details and ignoring the larger picture and coming with an impossible scenario given what we know right now. The ratio between West Asian components and Iberomaurisian varies wildly among modern and ancient samples as it happens in ancient Iberian ones and is not an indication of anything outside maybe North Africa being an heterogeneous place.

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