What happened to the germanic people in Spain?

[Defcon2]

Now, that's the most significant NA ancestry I've seen in an Iberian lately.

Those calculators lack a North African benchmark, so there is no point in drawing conclusions. I have a 3.2 SSA.

[gixajo]

I don´t know if I misread the Samnium post about origins of Steppe components in Iberians, but I am agree more or less, if we accept that Visigoths have some influence in nowadays Iberian genetics, we must convene also in an little portion of Steppe could also come from Visigoth input. So if average Steppe in an iberian individual is 30%, only an 1.5% comes form Visigothics.

Quite insignificant percentage, but ...

[alnortedelsur]

I guess Northern Spain assimilated them. Northern Spain may be lighter than Southerners for a reason beside celtiberian admixture. For example, Xabi Alonso looks very Germanic to me.

ALL Spaniards today have Celtiberian admixture, and Northern Spaniards are not significantly lighter than other Spaniards.

[Samnium]

I don´t know if I misread the Samnium post about origins of Steppe components in Iberians, but I am agree more or less, if we accept that Visigoths have some influence in nowadays Iberian genetics, we must convene alos in an little portion of Steppe could also come from Visigoth input. So if average Steppe in an iberian individual is 30%, only an 1.5% comes form Visigothics.

Quite insignificant percentage, but ...

Yes that's what I was saying pretty much.

[Morena]

They were absorbed into general population. Two of my father's four surnames are of Visigoth origin. His family is from Asturias. I believe some our "NW European" we scored in various genetic tests comes from them, although disentangling the Visigoth from other Germanic input (read as NW Europe) is probably impossible.

[Token]

There is Germanic ancestry all over Southwestern Europe, and that includes Iberia. Anyone who says otherwise is clueless about genetics. It is about 10% in Iberia and Central Italy.

Now, that doesn't need to be entirely Visigothic, Franks were huge players in the reconquista.

[noname1]

They became assimilated by the locals and mixed with them.

[alnortedelsur]

My girlfriend K13 just to show an example. She is native Portuguese. Does it look at first glance that she would share only 1% of her genomes with Germans?

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 26.28
2 Atlantic 25.93
3 West_Med 21.62
4 East_Med 11.54
5 Baltic 4.05
6 Red_Sea 2.59
7 Sub-Saharan 2.58
8 Eastern_Euro 2.36
9 Amerindian 1.19


Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
15 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Spanish_Galicia @ 6.350326
2 Portuguese @ 6.546985
3 Spanish_Cataluna @ 8.007100
4 Spanish_Extremadura @ 8.263930
5 Spanish_Murcia @ 8.368540
6 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 8.840790
7 Spanish_Cantabria @ 11.128245
8 French @ 11.197918
9 Spanish_Valencia @ 11.957701
10 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 12.208786
11 Spanish_Andalucia @ 13.017864
12 Spanish_Aragon @ 13.114104
13 North_Italian @ 13.176331
14 Southwest_French @ 14.104487
15 South_Dutch @ 16.860746
16 West_German @ 17.891609
17 Southwest_English @ 19.506603
18 Tuscan @ 19.538406
19 Southeast_English @ 21.003275
20 Serbian @ 23.145561

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Portuguese +50% Spanish_Galicia @ 6.256601


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Spanish_Galicia +25% Spanish_Galicia +25% Spanish_Murcia @ 6.171642


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Orcadian + Sardinian + Spanish_Murcia + West_German @ 6.148751
2 Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Murcia @ 6.171642
3 Portuguese + Portuguese + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia @ 6.256601
4 Portuguese + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia @ 6.258045
5 Portuguese + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Murcia @ 6.291696
6 Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia @ 6.298751
7 French + Orcadian + Sardinian + Spanish_Murcia @ 6.332447
8 Portuguese + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia @ 6.342164
9 Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia @ 6.350326
10 Portuguese + Portuguese + Portuguese + Spanish_Galicia @ 6.358992
11 Orcadian + Sardinian + Spanish_Extremadura + West_German @ 6.360356
12 French + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Murcia @ 6.397124
13 French + Portuguese + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Murcia @ 6.429242
14 Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia @ 6.429522
15 French + Portuguese + Portuguese + Spanish_Galicia @ 6.443729
16 French + Portuguese + Portuguese + Portuguese @ 6.462409
17 French + Orcadian + Portuguese + Sardinian @ 6.466568
18 Sardinian + Spanish_Murcia + West_German + West_Scottish @ 6.468616
19 Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Murcia @ 6.473664
20 Portuguese + Portuguese + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Galicia @ 6.475198


With Medieval samples:

[1] "distance%=2.3586"

Trebaruna

Celtiberian,68
North_African,10.4
Suebi_proxy,10.2
Roman_Imperial_proxy,8.8
Armenia_LBA,2.6

This Sean is just an ignorant white trash redneck. Don't take him seriously.

[TheOldNorth]

They where absorbed as where the Romans and Franks in Gaul or the Normans in England

[Cristiano viejo]

If the Moors never conquered that region until they were finally kicked out many centuries later by the Spanish, would Spain be considered a Germanic country in this day and age?

Of course no. In fact they were assimilated into the celtiberian population and Spain is not a Germanic country despite they left all their blood here.

I guess Northern Spain assimilated them. Northern Spain may be lighter than Southerners for a reason beside celtiberian admixture. For example, Xabi Alonso looks very Germanic to me.

Xavi Alonso does not look Germanic and he is not even ethnically basque. Alonso is a Castilian surname.

Visigoths were assimilated by everybody, northerners, central and southerners, stop with your nonsensical theories. More even when the 100% of the southerners descend from northerners.

There is Germanic ancestry all over Southwestern Europe, and that includes Iberia. Anyone who says otherwise is clueless about genetics. It is about 10% in Iberia and Central Italy.

Now, that doesn't need to be entirely Visigothic, Franks were huge players in the reconquista.

Franks played nothing in Reconquista. They did in the Repoblación (repopulation) but militarily they were testimonial, or less than that.