Why do right-wingers in this forum often like Franco but dislike Peron?

[JamesBond007]

Funny, this thread reminded me of a thing I read some time ago. There is an alternative Wikipedia called 'Conservapedia', which expresses the views of conservative libertarians (aka ultra-capitalists). They have a list of movies that are leftists or 'suspected' leftists. In the list, besides genuine leftist films, are included movies like: Alien (bc the main character is a woman, which of course makes it feminist, and the bad guys are the corporation Weyland-Yurani, which makes the movie anti-capitalist); Der ewige Jude (bc as everybody knows the nazis were communists, even if they apparently forgot it); Mel Gibson's The passion of the Christ (bc the extra-violent description of the Passion may be seen as a celebration of Christ's enemies). Consistency at its finest! Moreover certain terms can also be confusing: for instance libertarians vs liberals. The former are free-market supporters and the latter moderate neo-leftists or 'progressives'. So conservative libertarians are against liberals, but some libertarians (I think they are called 'neocons') may support liberal ideas on certain social issues, while being ultra-capitalists themselves. Of course we don't know if they are honest about it, because another issue is that often what people say and what they really believe are different things. So it's pretty much messy.

Point blank : real libertarianism is socially liberal and economically 'conservative' or laisse-faire. The idea that there are self-proclaimed socialist liberterians, like Noam Chomsky, or 'conservative libertarians' is some kind of weird perversion(s) or obfuscation at best.

[Jacques de Imbelloni]

this video is going to unleash a shitstorm, a left-wing economist saying that 1900s Argentina wasent as cool as people thinks, and that Peron wasent that bad.

[frankhammer]

They try to boicot atteps of Argentina to adquire new militat technology.

Which Argentinians should actually thank the UK for. You have no enemies on the doorstep in reality. There are better solutions to Argentina's woes than spending money on military equipment, at least in the interim.

[NSXD60]

Let's let Eva Peron opine: "Don't cry for me, Tooting Carmen, Peron's cock outmeasured Franco's."

[Tooting Carmen]

this video is going to unleash a shitstorm, a left-wing economist saying that 1900s Argentina wasn't as cool as people thinks, and that Peron wasn't that bad.

Exactly. Argentina's wealth was almost entirely based on agriculture and not industry, while the land and wealth were extremely badly distributed.

[Jacques de Imbelloni]

Exactly. Argentina's wealth was almost entirely based on agriculture and not industry, while the land and wealth were extremely badly distributed.

Not as badly distributed as in prerevolution mexico or in pre 1960s peru.
For example during porfiriato 80% of arable land was owned by large ranchers, in Argentina at the same time the land concentration was only 40%.
Also for the most part the feudal condition of many part of latin america didnt exist in rural Argentina, farm hands get paid in cash and work for a monthly salary.
Other part I dont agree on him is his attemp to blame everything on the landowning oligarchy, by the 30s they were no longer the more influential group, in this regard peron use them in the same way hitler use the jewish comunity.
Now a days the most influential group are the members of the financial system and the industrial oligopolies, raw materials are mostly controled by large Public limited companies rather than a couple of families like in the 1880s.

[Tooting Carmen]

Not as badly distributed as in prerevolution mexico or in pre 1960s peru.]

But much more so than in the Anglo (ex) colonies, which were characterised by a lot more small, independent farmers.

[Tannhauser]

this video is going to unleash a shitstorm, a left-wing economist saying that 1900s Argentina wasent as cool as people thinks, and that Peron wasent that bad.

I like it but it's more of the same thing, it doesn't make a systemic/integral analysis. It's limited to a couple of economic KPIs and you know african vara for JDP and swiss vara for non-peronists, not an expert...

[Jacques de Imbelloni]

But much more so than in the Anglo (ex) colonies, which were characterised by a lot more small, independent farmers.

Yes, never the less you are underestimating the size of european immigration and how much of it ended in the rural areas. The most large and flagrant land grabs by the oligarchs were patagonia and some native lands in the north, those areas are quite under populated to this day.

[Jacques de Imbelloni]

I like it but it's more of the same, it doesn't make a systematic/integral analysis. It's limited to a couple of economic KPIs and you know african vara for JDP and swiss vara for non-peronists, not an expert...

I think he uses to many peronist "revisionist" sources, that put all the blame in the evil hand of the USA and this evil entity called the oligarchy. Never the less his analisis of argentine history is quite deep, and dont blame all to a single party, or put lables like socialism to everything he dont like.