Why do right-wingers in this forum often like Franco but dislike Peron?

[Tannhauser]

Not as badly distributed as in prerevolution mexico or in pre 1960s peru.
For example during porfiriato 80% of arable land was owned by large ranchers, in Argentina at the same time the land concentration was only 40%.
Also for the most part the feudal condition of many part of latin america didnt exist in rural Argentina, farm hands get paid in cash and work for a monthly salary.
Other part I dont agree on him is his attemp to blame everything on the landowning oligarchy, by the 30s they were no longer the more influential group, in this regard peron use them in the same way hitler use the jewish comunity.
Now a days the most influential group are the members of the financial system and the industrial oligopolies, raw materials are mostly controled by large Public limited companies rather than a couple of families like in the 1880s.

I'm glad you mentioned it.

It's an easy speech in the Arendt, Laclau, Mouffe style of looking for an enemy to blame or saying that the landowner gentry put obstacles to other activities so they could not prosper.

In fact, no more infrastructure development has been seen throughout the country as in the oligarchic governments.

[Tannhauser]

Yes, never the less you are underestimating the size of european immigration and how much of it ended in the rural areas. The most large and flagrant land grabs by the oligarchs were patagonia and some native lands in the north, those areas are quite under populated to this day.

Exactly another myth.

[Cristiano viejo]

Whereas Franco's legacy is/was...

It was this



Ie very few/unexistent crime, unemployment, external debt, immigration, terrorism, etc

Under his regime the Christmas extra pay was instituted, the current and large net of reservoirs was created, etc

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[WeirdLookingFellow]

I'm not a Spaniard so I can't talk about it properly but every non-Spaniard leftie that talks about Franco seems just mad that he won against the commies.

The 2nd thing they're mad about is that the commies fought between themselves.

The 3rd thing is the free speech and political repression of Franco, which they then promptly discuss implementing but in a socially postmodern manner.

My personal opinion is that I'm happy he's still making lefties mad.

[Cristiano viejo]

I'm not a Spaniard so I can't talk about it properly but every non-Spaniard leftie that talks about Franco seems just mad that he won against the commies.

The 2nd thing they're mad about is that the commies fought between themselves.

The 3rd thing is the free speech and political repression of Franco, which they then promptly discuss implementing but in a socially postmodern manner.

My personal opinion is that I'm happy he's still making lefties mad.

You can bet your ass lefties in Spain are completely obsessed with Franco, a person that dead 45 years ago...
The good thing is that thanks their obsession it seems that Franco continues alive...

[gixajo]

You can bet your ass lefties in Spain are completely obsessed with Franco, a person that dead 45 years ago...
The good thing is that thanks their obsession it seems that Franco continues alive...

Do you know about the "informe Petras"?:

https://plataforma.quieroauditoriaen...informe-petras

It is a report commissioned by the PSOE government (trought CSIC and by a disciple of Chomsky) in the mid-90s, with a left bias, which curiously and without looking for it, has become annoying for the left itself (at least the "moderate left").

https://www.inventati.org/ingobernab...rme-petras.pdf

The conclusion already at that time was that in the future, the working conditions and as a consequence, the life of the children, would be worse than that of the parents.

[Jacques de Imbelloni]

La esencia y la identidad del Peronismo - Jonathan Ramos

historiador, filósofo, escritor y profesor universitario por la Universidad Católica de Salta.

[Jacques de Imbelloni]

Exactly. Argentina's wealth was almost entirely based on agriculture and not industry, while the land and wealth were extremely badly distributed.

new video about peronism.

[SouthDutch7991]

Why do people continue to conflate the right wing with the far economic right? Right wing at it's core means to be against the general values that were espoused by the destruction of European religious authority, the European social order, and European cultural values. The stupid use of the terms to refer to two separate post-enlightenment economic ideologies is a cancer upon political discussion. The "right" wing that upheld pure libertarian capitalism as an ideal over ethnicity or nationality or religion is dying out with the people who were its targets. Most of the young right wing are paleo-conservatives, who would happily trade strictly libertarian economic policy for the religious and social policy of a nationalist government.

[Jacques de Imbelloni]

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