Transylvanian/Romanian GEDmatch Results

[Leto]

Transylvania_proper_average,23.98,26.24,17.43,9.61 ,17.51,1.68,0.64,0.62,1.13,0.54,0.40,0.09,0.12
Moldavia_average,23.95,27.75,16.63,9.82,16.58,1.48 ,0.60,0.47,1.34,0.60,0.46,0.16,0.16
R.Moldova_average,24.02,29.09,16.48,9.92,14.66,1.8 6,0.59,0.57,1.48,0.64,0.43,0.16,0.10
Wallachia_average,22.68,24.86,17.47,11.15,18.47,2. 11,0.71,0.70,0.85,0.41,0.36,0.16,0.06

Both Moldavian averages are similar.
Aspirin told me Moldavians are a different ethnic group, so I think they should treat the 8 counties as the Irish Republicans treat the 6 counties aka Northern Ireland

[Ion Basescul]

Both Moldavian averages are similar.
Aspirin told me Moldavians are a different ethnic group, so I think they should treat the 8 counties as the Irish Republicans treat the 6 counties aka Northern Ireland

We are similar to those in Romania genetically, but culturally there are regional differences. That's normal.

[Leto]

We are similar to those in Romania genetically, but culturally there are regional differences. That's normal.

Which parts of Romania is the K13 average for Romania based on?

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 24.49
2 North_Atlantic 24.37
3 East_Med 18.04
4 West_Med 17.09
5 West_Asian 11.28
6 Red_Sea 2.14
7 Siberian 0.83
8 Amerindian 0.60
9 South_Asian 0.55
10 East_Asian 0.27
11 Oceanian 0.18
12 Northeast_African 0.09
13 Sub_Saharan 0.06

[Ion Basescul]

Which parts of Romania is the K13 average for Romania based on?

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 24.49
2 North_Atlantic 24.37
3 East_Med 18.04
4 West_Med 17.09
5 West_Asian 11.28
6 Red_Sea 2.14
7 Siberian 0.83
8 Amerindian 0.60
9 South_Asian 0.55
10 East_Asian 0.27
11 Oceanian 0.18
12 Northeast_African 0.09
13 Sub_Saharan 0.06

No idea, as I never asked, but if I were to guess, I'd say a mix of Wallachia with Transylvania or Moldavia, where Wallachian samples were dominant.

[Nurzat]

How many will be in Suceava and Botoșani?

Botosani apart from a couple of villages is left to historical population only. a best friend is from such a village where they all got Ukrainian last names and the situation is: grandparents spoke Ukr, parents understand it and spoke it minimally, maybe when they didn't need to be understood, and kids (those 25-40 years old) don't speak it at all. these now have their own kids who probably won't even know their greatgrandparents spoke Ukr. and this happened across Botosani county in the past decades. anyway in Botosani from the start there was this situation of Ruthenian enclaves, the villages were scattered, not compact, so they had neighbour Romanian (Moldovan) villages with which they mixed (parents generation still mostly married in neighbour villages, not farther).


Suceava had 8,514 officially at the census but as I've explained on my class/pass thread recently, it faces some strange opposition to census. over 90% of the Ukrainians on there are from remote mountain area of Hutsulschyna and they have strong local identity (Hutsuls) so they refuse to call themselves Ukrainian at the census and don't call themselves Hutsul either (at the census), because this way they would be counted as Ukrainian officially. they've got their Hutsul Union that is more like an ONG/cultural union, no political recognition. because of Romania-Russia relations people fear of being associated with Russians (East Slavs). they do speak the language in their villages, have partial Ukrainian language schooling and bilingual Ukrainian/Romanian road signs but you get awkward situations where villages like Breaza (all-Ukrainian/Hutsul) have 0 (zero) Ukrainians at the census. if you stop now there to buy something at a store or enter a bar there no one speaks Romanian (between themselves I mean, otherwise they do speak native-level Romanian if they need it with Romanians, like any other minority in Romania, including most Hungarians).

I remember how at county-level contests during high-school we immediately made friends when we gathered in Suceava or other place, the youth from Ukrainian-speaking villages, and that's when I was surprised to see Ukrainian youth from outside the mountains (near Suceava) still speaking it natively, and some of those villages show nothing (<100 or so) in the census. another good example is Milisauti, which is a town now I think, where many people speak Ukr but are Romanian at the census. I met a young doctor our age from there, I mentioned that I know the village was historically Ukr and he was able to speak in native local dialect without any problem. I had asked him about roots because of his last name, of Boyko origin like mine.

the rest of Ukrainians are in Dobrudja (native Hohols) and in Banat (not native to Banat, all are Rusyns and Hutsuls transferred by Communists from Maramures and Bucovina).

you can check the Union's website for events and such - with Russian you should be able to understand Ukrainian, they're dialects of the same Rus' language after all
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also, keep in mind that the Maramures-Suceava Ukrainian settlement is a continuum, villages are not scattered among Romanian villages like in Rep. Moldova so the mixing only started very recently, in the last generation (my age), otherwise the people had their entire region of a few hundred villages and hamlets to marry in. and we had yearly gatherings that now are transformed into generic festivals but back then were to discuss business (cattle and hay and potato ) and marriage and see relatives and friends from far villages.

[Ion Basescul]

Any guesses on her ancestry with K13? From Timisoara

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[Jana]

^^^^ Hungarian?

[Nurzat]

in Timisoara she can be anything, if she's not Romanian ethnic (she totally passes as one also), but if smth else, most likely: Hungarian, German, Serb, Ukrainian (of those moved from MM & SV counties), in this order. Gorid?

[Ion Basescul]

^^^^ Hungarian?

Half Roma, Half Romanian; that's why phenotypes can be trashy in predicting someone's ancestry

North_Atlantic 22.35 Pct
Baltic 20.15 Pct
West_Med 13.06 Pct
West_Asian 12.28 Pct
East_Med 17.50 Pct
Red_Sea 2.54 Pct
South_Asian 10.81 Pct
East_Asian 0.72 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 0.57 Pct
Sub-Saharan -

Romanian-b (Behar) from Harrapaworld is full Gypsy (25% South Indian)

And she gets modelled best as:
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% romanian-b_behar +50% serbian_harappa @ 4.086702

[Jana]

Wow, amazing. She looks totally central European, common face in Croatia as well. Never, never would have guessed that. She looks more mainstream European than average full Balkanite.