PISA 2018 math scores in Europe (natives)

[pulstar]

There's a clear correlation with wealth.Given that Switzerland is scoring highest and non EU Balkan countries the lowest.

Different things matter in Balkans. Functional education is recent thing so it does not show.

[Universe]

There's a clear correlation with wealth.Given that Switzerland is scoring highest and non EU Balkan countries the lowest.

Not necessarily. China and Vietname do well despite being poor/mediocre wealth countries.

[Voskos]

Not necessarily. China and Vietname do well despite being poor/mediocre wealth countries.

Asian countries are in a wholly different league, you can see that some of them surpass Western European countries. I was talking about Europe.

[Ymyyakhtakh]

Look bit closely the differencies between genders in Finland. The gap is biggest in Europe.

Actually in terms of the total score gap in favor of girls in math, science, and reading, Malta (13+21+49=83) ranked even higher than Finland (6+24+52=82) (https://www.oecd.org/pisa/Combined_E..._PISA_2018.pdf, page 26).

On an IQ scale, Finland's average PISA score in 2018 in math, science, and reading would be 104.5 for girls (100+(((510+534+546)/3-500)/100)*15) and 100.35 for boys (100+(((504+510+495)/3-500)/100)*15).

[Mvakis]

Absolutely pointless study/benchmark of the educational level, as our learning programmes are different yet this PISA test attempts to measure our proficiency by using a standardized test that favours the western programme.

[Zeno]

Because I'm a student myself here in Greece, students here don't even care about the test. They literally just give it for the lulz. Not even prepared by official education.

Plus, I've seen on what they're tested. It's literally 4 grades behind from what students are taught in the 10th grade, when students globally give PISA.

[Finnish Swede]

Actually in terms of the total score gap in favor of girls in math, science, and reading, Malta (13+21+49=83) ranked even higher than Finland (6+24+52=82) (https://www.oecd.org/pisa/Combined_E..._PISA_2018.pdf, page 26).

On an IQ scale, Finland's average PISA score in 2018 in math, science, and reading would be 104.5 for girls (100+(((510+534+546)/3-500)/100)*15) and 100.35 for boys (100+(((504+510+495)/3-500)/100)*15).

Well... very high anyway .... and that 52 in reading alone might still be the highest?

[Damião de Góis]

My first thought was the we were so so, within the average. But apparently our results got worse that year comparing with the three years before:

https://rr.sapo.pt/2019/12/11/pais/r...oticia/173914/

[JamesBond007]

Below is a table of European countries sorted by their 2018 average PISA score in mathematics, and science, and reading. (Not "natives" only.) I converted PISA scores to IQ points using the formula 100+((x-500)/100)*15.

Finland was weaker in mathematics (507) than in science (522) or reading (520). In the table below, even though we rank 8th in mathematics, we still rank second after Estonia based on our average score. Estonians have become so smart that there's not even any Estonians left on this forum for morons (just like there are no East Asians).

Switzerland is the highest-ranking country in the map posted by the OP, but Switzerland's general score in mathematics (515 / 102.2) was 21 points lower than its "natives only" score (536 / 105.4).

(average score;math;science;reading;difference from average score in 2015;country)
103.8;103.5;104.5;103.5;0.2;Estonia
102.5;101.0;103.3;103.0;-1.0;Finland
102.0;102.4;101.7;101.8;1.4;Poland
100.7;100.0;99.4;102.7;-0.7;Ireland
100.5;101.3;101.0;99.2;-0.9;Slovenia
100.5;100.3;100.8;100.6;0.6;United Kingdom
100.3;102.8;100.5;97.8;-0.9;Netherlands
100.3;100.3;99.8;100.9;1.0;Sweden
100.2;101.3;99.0;100.2;-0.5;Denmark
100.0;101.2;99.8;99.0;-0.4;Belgium
100.0;100.0;100.5;99.7;-1.2;Germany
99.7;102.2;99.2;97.6;-1.2;Switzerland
99.5;100.2;98.5;99.8;-1.2;Norway
99.3;99.8;99.5;98.5;0.7;Czech Republic
99.0;99.2;99.0;99.0;-0.3;France
98.8;98.8;98.8;98.8;-0.8;Portugal
98.7;99.8;98.5;97.6;-0.2;Austria
98.1;99.4;98.0;96.8;0.1;Latvia
97.3;97.2;97.5;N/A;-1.5;Spain
97.2;99.2;96.2;96.1;0.0;Iceland
97.2;98.2;96.7;96.8;-1.5;Russia
97.0;97.2;97.3;96.4;0.7;Lithuania
96.9;97.2;97.2;96.4;0.7;Hungary
96.5;98.0;95.2;96.4;-1.2;Italy
96.5;97.5;96.5;95.5;-1.0;Luxembourg
95.8;95.8;95.7;96.1;N/A;Belarus
95.8;94.6;95.8;96.8;-0.5;Croatia
95.4;97.9;94.6;93.7;0.9;Slovakia
94.4;93.0;95.3;94.9;N/A;Ukraine
93.8;95.8;93.5;92.2;-0.7;Malta
93.0;92.7;92.8;93.5;-0.8;Greece
91.3;92.2;91.0;90.8;N/A;Serbia
90.7;92.7;90.8;88.6;0.0;Cyprus
89.2;89.5;88.9;89.2;-1.5;Romania
89.0;90.4;88.6;88.0;-2.0;Bulgaria
88.7;88.2;89.2;88.6;0.5;Moldova
88.3;89.5;87.2;88.2;0.5;Montenegro
88.0;90.5;87.5;85.8;0.7;Albania
85.3;85.9;84.7;85.5;N/A;Bosnia and Herzegovina
85.0;84.1;87.0;84.0;N/A;North Macedonia
79.2;79.9;79.8;78.0;-0.2;Kosovo

People often assume that the average IQ of whites would be 100. However national IQ scores are often normed against the IQ of the United Kingdom, which is generally higher than the average IQ of most European countries. Therefore even if the IQ of East Asians would be the closest to 105 when rounded to the nearest integer multiple of 5, the IQ gap between whites and East Asians can still be closer to 10 than to 5.

China is the only country whose PISA results are only based on the results of more highly developed regions. Still, China's average PISA score in mathematics, science, and reading (converted to IQ points) was only 102.2 in 2015, but it was 111.8 in 2018, which is almost 10 points higher, so China's PISA results in 2018 are clearly bogus.

If we regardless don't exclude China, in the table below, the average score of East Asian countries and regions is 105.7, which is about 10 points higher than the average score of European countries in the table above (95.7).

(average score;math;science;reading;difference from average score in 2015;country or region)
111.8;113.7;113.5;108.2;9.6;China
108.5;110.3;107.7;107.3;0.7;Singapore
106.4;108.7;106.6;103.8;2.3;Macau
104.6;107.7;102.5;103.6;-0.3;Hong Kong, China
103.0;104.0;104.3;100.6;-1.3;Japan
102.9;103.9;102.8;102.1;0.1;Korea
102.5;104.7;102.4;100.5;-1.0;Taiwan

Psychology is a pseudo-science and IQ is part of that pseudo-science. In future brain scans (fMRI) combined with computer algorithms will determine intelligence. Also, feminism, in the West, took highly intelligent women out of the educational system -- in the past highly intelligent women became teachers because their only other work option was nurse. The solution is not to go back to the old days before feminism but the solution is marxism or scientific socialism. Anyway, that feminism removed highly intelligent teachers is another reason you can't use PISA scores as a means of measuring the intelligence of a population.

[Loki]

Germanic regions doing well.