So Celts were North Europeans after all?

[PaleoEuropean]

Nope, it's you that has a misconception since you fail to understand that there is no language without its native speakers. Germanic people were indeed a racial group that is confirmed by DNA. All Germanic tribes the Vikings, Anglo-Saxons, Goths, Teutons& Cimberi, Franks, Langobards/Lombards, Cherusci, Vandals were basically the same people. So the Romans weren't that wrong to lump all Germanics into one basket. The same goes for Arabs, there are indeed ethnic Arabs. Arab is not just merely language and culture. The point is there is such a thing as assimilation and absorption. People from other ethnic groups can be drafted into a distinct ethnic group that is more dominant or larger or just be assimilated. Hence there are terms like arabized, germanized or celtized. For instance, due to the process of Arabization, you have people in North Africa identifying as Arab while they are ethnically speaking Berbers. However, Celtic isn't only a language or culture but also an ethnicity. Besides Celtics and Italics have some genetical and linguistic links because the Bell Beaker who formed the Italic ethnic group came from Germany, Central Europe from a time where Germany was Celtic (prior to the Germanic people's arrival from Scandinavia). Germanic people have nothing to do with Balto-Slavs.

That's true there is a lot of crossover, the differences we see are from groups like Scandinavians, Slavs and Celts that moved through the regions. I do agree that Germans especially continental Germans do have a core affinity.

[Creoda]

Davidski/Generalissimo says that Iron Age Celts (presumably of Central Europe) were 'very Northern European'. Also that the Celtic peoples of Northern Italy were French-like.

https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....l=1#post713577

[Ethel]

Here are the coordinates, see by yourself. They are from Swiss Iron Age, probably La Tené culture.

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MX188,0.0103,0.0128,0.0159,0.0178,0.0069,0.0071,-0.0007,0,-0.0032,-0.0046,0.0003,0.0005,-0.0014,-0.0154,0.0097,0.0167,0.0038,0.002,-0.0019,0.0084,0.0059,0.0029,-0.0027,0.001,-0.0063
MX190,0.0111,0.0133,0.0158,0.0192,0.0082,0.0109,0. 0031,0.0038,-0.0043,-0.0015,-0.0058,0,-0.0096,-0.0111,0.0102,0.0061,0.0027,-0.0029,-0.0016,0.0061,0.0031,0.008,0.0073,-0.0081,-0.0017
MX192,0.0109,0.0119,0.0176,0.0193,0.0082,0.0083,-0.0037,0.0019,-0.0034,-0.0007,0.0016,-0.0024,-0.0053,-0.0059,0.0145,0.0159,0.0092,0.0025,0,0.0019,0.0067 ,0.0013,-0.0032,0.0017,0.0022
MX195,0.0108,0.0119,0.0172,0.0204,0.0071,0.0094,-0.0004,0.0011,-0.0015,-0.0045,0,0.0015,-0.0071,-0.0065,0.0152,0.0183,0.0069,-0.0041,-0.0046,0.0067,-0.0021,0.003,0.0008,0.0025,0.0011

Are these samples really La Tène? (honest question)

[Creoda]

Are these samples really La Tène? (honest question)

This is an old thread, they were misdated, Bell Beaker or Early Bronze Age.

[Ethel]

This is an old thread, they were misdated, Bell Beaker or Early Bronze Age.

[InfamousAngel99]

Celts were spread throughout Europe, mainly in the British Isles, Northwestern Europe, and Central Europe. A lot of people don't know this (unless they're interested in ancient cultures), because the Romans destroyed most traces of Celtic cultures in mainland Europe. The Celts of the British Isles, specifically the Celtic tribes that are the ancestors of the modern Irish people, were the most successful in terms of keeping their culture intact, thus many uninformed people think only of the Irish when they hear the term "Celtic."

[Gota_type_]

Celts were spread throughout Europe, mainly in the British Isles, Northwestern Europe, and Central Europe. A lot of people don't know this (unless they're interested in ancient cultures), because the Romans destroyed most traces of Celtic cultures in mainland Europe. The Celts of the British Isles, specifically the Celtic tribes that are the ancestors of the modern Irish people, were the most successful in terms of keeping their culture intact, thus many uninformed people think only of the Irish when they hear the term "Celtic."

You might not know this but the largest concentration of celtic remains in Europe are in NW Spain (including Castilla), where castros (celtic villages), toponymia, and things like these still exist:




Or this altar of sacrifices:




Or petroglifos:



The Romans were good at erasing old cultures.

[Jingle Bell]

We have tree theories abt the origin of Celts:
From East: Proto Celts are descendants of Urfield culture and the proto-celtic was born in Central Europe BA and was begin developed with the times (Hallsttat and La Tene)
From Center: Says that Celts come from BA France (aka Gauls) and expanded, not too much diferent from East theorie since both comes from Bell BEakers of Central Europe
From West: Celt culture was born since atlantic bronze age and was a language used by the West Atlantid ppl for trades, but that theorie dont explains why in the same time of when the celt culture was spread in Europe the ancestry from Urnfield iwas spread in all parts of Europe which were culturally celtic too, why Iberians from IA got Urnfield ancestry in the time that celtic trait appears in iberia? thats dont looks like a coincidence . .

after all, the early celts were very prob from Central Europe, descendants of Bell Beakers and clustering with Central Frenchs and Alpine Europe, so no they werent N. Europeans.

The average of samples from La tene, Hallsttat and Gauls all are abt 40% Yamnaya, the celts were kinda heterogenous but the average of yamnaya blood was abt 35% - 43%

https://pastebin.com/u9YNXWuY




as u all can see, typicals Central Europeans, not Northern

[brunolord20]

Do you think original celts and germanics is probably same people with different cultures?

[brunolord20]

We have tree theories abt the origin of Celts:
From East: Proto Celts are descendants of Urfield culture and the proto-celtic was born in Central Europe BA and was begin developed with the times (Hallsttat and La Tene)
From Center: Says that Celts come from BA France (aka Gauls) and expanded, not too much diferent from East theorie since both comes from Bell BEakers of Central Europe
From West: Celt culture was born since atlantic bronze age and was a language used by the West Atlantid ppl for trades, but that theorie dont explains why in the same time of when the celt culture was spread in Europe the ancestry from Urnfield iwas spread in all parts of Europe which were culturally celtic too, why Iberians from IA got Urnfield ancestry in the time that celtic trait appears in iberia? thats dont looks like a coincidence . .

after all, the early celts were very prob from Central Europe, descendants of Bell Beakers and clustering with Central Frenchs and Alpine Europe, so no they werent N. Europeans.

The average of samples from La tene, Hallsttat and Gauls all are abt 40% Yamnaya, the celts were kinda heterogenous but the average of yamnaya blood was abt 35% - 43%

https://pastebin.com/u9YNXWuY




as u all can see, typicals Central Europeans, not Northern

Jingle why early celts always score a lot of germanic? They was probably same people but with different culture? They was known as to be tall and blonde