So Celts were North Europeans after all?

[Grace O'Malley]

Top 3 closest modern populations to each Iron Age and Bronze Age French sample in my opinion:

(but let's wait for official Global25 data)

RIX4
DE_Saarland
FR_Lower-Normandy
FR_Ile-de-France

RIX2
DE_Rheinland-Pfalz
FR_Ile-de-France
FR_Pays-de-la-Loire

RIX15
FR_Nord
FR_Lorraine
FR_Auvergne

QUIN58
ES_Valencia
ES_Aragon
ES_Galicia

QUIN234
ES_Cantabria
ES_Castilla-Leon-Burgos
ES_Castilla-Leon-Soria

PSS4170
ES_Valencia
ES_Cataluna-Terres-de-l'Ebre
FR_Pyrenees-Orientales

PIR3116B
FR_Picardy
GB_North-East-England
IRL_Ulster

PIR3037AB
ES_Valencia-Castellon
ES_Baleares
ES_Cataluna

PEY53
FR_Bretagne
FR_Burgundy-Franche-Comte
FR_Picardy

PEI2
ES_La-Rioja
ES_Castilla-Leon-Soria
ES_Cantabria

PECH5
ES_Cataluna-Girona
ES_Galicia
FR_Picardy

OBE3626-1
IRL_Leinster
IRL_Munster
IRL_Connacht

NOR4
ITA_Veneto-Verona
ITA_Aosta
PRT_Portugal-Lisboa

NOR3-6
FR_Burgundy-Franche-Comte
FR_Lower-Normandy
FR_Picardy

NOR3-15
FR_Burgundy-Franche-Comte
FR_Upper-Normandy
FR_Nord

NOR2B6
FR_Pays-de-la-Loire
PRT_Portugal-Lisboa
FR_Auvergne

NIED
ES_Baleares-Mallorca
ES_Cataluna-Lleida
ES_Cataluna-Girona

Jeb8
DE_Rheinland-Pfalz
ITA_Aosta
AT_Tyrol

EUG11
ES_Cataluna-Tarragona
FR_Pyrenees-Orientales
ES_Cataluna-Terres-de-l'Ebre

ERS88
ITA_Lombardy-Bergamo
ITA_Tuscany-Florence
ITA_Lombardy-Brescia

ERS86
ES_Cataluna-Tarragona
FR_Languedoc
CH_Romandy

ERS1164
DE_Saarland
GB_Scotland-Lanarkshire
CH_Romandy

COL153i
ES_Cataluna-Terres-de-l'Ebre
FR_Centre-Val-de-Loire
ITA_Friuli-Udine

COL153A
AT_Tyrol
DE_Saarland
ITA_Friuli-Sappada

COL11
IRL_Galway
GB_Scotland-Highland
(...)

BIS385
FR_Hauts-de-France
DE_Rheinpfalz
BE_Wallonia

BIS130
FR_Picardy
FR_Burgundy-Franche-Comte
FR_Bretagne

BFM265
FR_Picardy
FR_Bretagne-Rennes
FR_Pas-de-Calais

BES1248
FR_Upper-Normandy
GB_Lancashire
GB_Cumbria

ATT26
DE_Rheinpfalz
DE_Baden-Wurttemberg
(...)

They appear quite varied. I'm looking forward to when the full study is released.

[Peterski]

Updated results for French Iron Age and Bronze Age samples in several calculators:

(most of the previously present noise is removed from these results)

France_IA_BA_Updated.zip

One French Bell Beaker sample is also included (the one with 0% West_Med in K15).

[Damião de Góis]

Where does this sample come from? PRT_Portugal-Lisboa

A pitty it's not in G25.

[SharpFork]

They appear quite varied. I'm looking forward to when the full study is released.

If they are from the link Peterski sent then their variety makes sense, they come from Rousillioun/Langedoc, Alsace and Picardy. Knowing which is from where is important.

[Fantomas]

Yes and Not, only the British Celts could fall within the range of Northern Europe but the original Celts were from Central Europe.

Hypothesis of Central European Celtic homeland is outdated completely


The Ancient Celts 2nd Edition.2018. Barry Cunliffe

Top 3 closest modern populations to each Iron Age and Bronze Age French sample in my opinion:

This seems fairly reasonable, all of them looke western European aboriginal and not migrants from east as traditional speculations used to claim

Only one of them looks a bit strange

ERS88
ITA_Lombardy-Bergamo
ITA_Tuscany-Florence
ITA_Lombardy-Brescia

Could be very late Iron Age from Alpine area

[Creoda]

Hypothesis of Central European Celtic homeland is outdated completely


The Ancient Celts 2nd Edition.2018. Barry Cunliffe

Ancient DNA has dismantled the 'Celts from the West' theory, not that the theory ever made sense.

[Grace O'Malley]

Hypothesis of Central European Celtic homeland is outdated completely


The Ancient Celts 2nd Edition.2018. Barry Cunliffe

Well they definitely aren't from the West and Irish, Scots and Welsh don't appear to be very similar to Continental Celts at all. Awaiting more Gaul samples but as i've always said Celts appear very varied. It's almost like people were named Celts just because they weren't Romans or Greeks.

[renaissance12]

This is the "face" of a celtic GALATI as seen from "greek" point of view III century B.C.

Don't forget Saint Paul letters ( GOSPEL- NEW TESTAMENT ) to Galatians ...That means that CELTIC GALATIANS were not TINY tribes in Anatolia and Balkans area..

[Fantomas]

Celts must be really divergent phenotype wise. They had Central European, Northern European and even some darker Southern European look depending on tribe, geography etc.

That's right, ancient chroniclers described Celts as different in terms of appearance, some of them as clearly Mediterranids another as Nordoid, but mostly as somwhere in between, lighter than Iberians for example, but darker than Germanics. Anthropoligical cranial analyses also show gracile Med-Nord range, with brachycephalic large minority, that differed form Germanic and even from Halsttate samples

[Fantomas]

Ancient DNA has dismantled the 'Celts from the West' theory, not that the theory ever made sense.

What exact ancient DNA dismantled it?

So standing as opposition 'Central European theory' made more sense?