So Celts were North Europeans after all?

**brunolord20** · 10-22-2023, 06:26 PM

Originally Posted by Creoda

Slightly altered XP's model, some of the most pure individuals for Germanic and added England MBA for pre-Celtic Briton

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ImperialRoman:ITA_Collegno_MA_o1,0.1069937,0.14860 57,-0.0248897,-0.0551253,0.0057443,-0.016083,-0.0018017,-0.003769,0.0008863,0.0154293,0.007091,0.0059443,-0.008325,0.000642,-0.0068313,-0.0010607,0.008388,-0.001098,0.004483,0.0007087,-0.001539,0.002267,0.0031223,0.0018077,0.0015967
Celtic:SX18_scaled,0.126344,0.152329,0.048271,-0.00646,0.051394,-0.007251,0.0047,-0.000692,0.016362,0.035354,0.002598,0.016485,-0.016055,-0.006055,0.001629,0.000663,0.006128,0.00266,0.0038 97,-0.006628,0.006364,0.006183,-0.011709,-0.006145,0.000958
Celtic: DEU_Lech_EBA_AITI_119,0.121791,0.140143,0.05242,0. 026486,0.040623,0.003068,0.001175,0.001154,0.00347 7,0.017859,-0.001299,0.01124,-0.020961,-0.019818,0.01045,0.02201,0.01708,-0.0019,0.009679,0.002376,0.007986,0.003957,-0.005053,0.000964,0.008382
Celtic: DEU_Lech_EBA_POST_44,0.124067,0.144205,0.056568,0. 008721,0.04924,-0.001952,-0.00188,0.000692,0.008795,0.028247,0.001299,0.0092 92,-0.017988,-0.003028,0.005293,0.008353,-0.002608,-0.00266,0.004525,0.001126,-0.008235,-0.008285,-0.001356,-0.002651,-0.003233
Celtic: DEU_Lech_EBA_POST_50,0.120652,0.153345,0.043746,-0.002584,0.052933,-0.003347,-0.00329,-0.002077,0.022293,0.031162,-0.005846,0.008692,-0.022299,-0.010459,-0.002172,0.014585,0.021253,0.004307,0.001257,-0.005753,0.00262,0.000124,0.002835,-0.005181,-0.010418
Celtic: DEU_Lech_MBA_OTTM_151ind2_d,0.127482,0.156392,0.04 7894,0.005491,0.04647,-0.011435,0.00329,0.011538,0.010022,0.031345,0.0064 96,0.012889,-0.012487,-0.01156,-0.0095,0.000796,0.001565,-0.003801,-0.005656,0.005753,-0.002995,0.009521,-0.001356,-0.006386,-0.011855
Celtic: DEU_Welzin_BA_outlier3_WEZ57,0.129758,0.142174,0.0 50911,0.039406,0.044316,0.007251,-0.004935,0.008538,0.028429,0.024237,0.007957,0.007 194,-0.008622,-0.012248,-0.000407,0.004906,-0.000652,0.001014,-0.003017,0.000375,0.012852,0.009645,-0.009983,0.005784,-0.004071
Celtic:CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany_DA111,0.124067,0.15131 4,0.063356,0.026163,0.0437,0.005857,0.001175,0.002 308,0.020861,0.02442,-0.012342,0.00015,-0.01665,-0.003165,0.014658,-0.009546,-0.018254,0.003801,0.005908,0.001626,0.009858,0.006 059,-0.004437,-0.005904,-0.005269
Celtic:St_Gallen_SX20,0.129758,0.147252,0.055814,0 .012274,0.055087,0.009203,0.001175,0.001846,0.0139 08,0.0277,-0.003897,0.012589,-0.019623,-0.007707,0.005293,-0.008884,-0.017341,-0.003801,0.001006,-0.008504,-0.003494,0.004699,-0.002711,-0.006266,-0.00479
Celtic:Constance_MX254_2,0.130897,0.136081,0.05543 7,0.024871,0.041854,0.00251,0.0047,0.006231,0.0177 94,0.024784,-0.004384,0.007493,-0.016501,-0.014313,0.003122,0.018165,0.014473,0.003547,-0.002388,5e-04,-0.004243,0.011129,0.001479,-0.010483,0.001317
Celtic:Constance_MX283,0.126344,0.137096,0.057322, 0.023579,0.050779,-0.003068,0.001175,0.003,0.020043,0.035172,-0.005521,0.009591,-0.014866,-0.009083,-0.000814,0.022408,0.016689,0.000127,0.004022,-0.002376,-0.001497,0.00643,-0.00456,-0.010242,0.001437
Pre-Celtic-Briton/Beaker:Scotland_LBA,0.1297585,0.133542,0.0630732,0 .0527298,0.0351605,0.0193132,0.0061102,0.0030575,0 .001892,-0.0027338,-0.0060082,0.0064818,-0.0180252,-0.0164115,0.024226,0.0058672,-0.0143422,0.0036108,0.0032995,0.0005313,0.0056462, 0.0044822,-0.0003393,0.0042172,0.0041315
Pre-Celtic-Briton/Beaker:England_MBA,0.1270132,0.1290916,0.0630678,0.059755,0.0341783,0.019916,0.0014929,0.0049274,0.0045958,-0.0013935,-0.0047379,0.0039671,-0.0111495,-0.0156566,0.0246771,0.0091564,-0.0059516,0.0030703,0.0009834,0.0039871,0.0046975,0.0047133,-0.0006381,0.0058335,-0.0012045
Italic:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA_RMPR1016,0.127482,0.1472 52,0.033187,-0.016796,0.044008,-0.008646,-0.00376,-0.004846,0.026588,0.052666,-0.002761,0.015137,-0.036719,-0.008533,-0.009093,0.013392,0.016037,-0.004687,0.003897,0.004127,0.00262,-0.00272,0.001972,-0.007712,-0.008742
Italic:ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA_RMPR851,0.133173,0.1563 92,0.0445,-0.00969,0.044008,-0.004462,0.00846,0.003,0.024543,0.044101,-0.002598,0.012289,-0.022448,-0.009634,-0.005429,-0.005834,0.00352,0.003167,0.006034,-0.007379,-0.008859,0.005317,-0.000863,-0.006989,-0.001796
Germanic:England_Saxon:I0773,0.141141,0.126941,0.063356,0.071383,0.044008,0.024263,0.00799,0.011307,0.00409,-0.00656,-0.005359,0.005395,-0.01219,-0.013074,0.021172,0.011668,-0.001434,0.000887,0.008673,0.008629,0.010981,0.003957,-0.003081,0.015544,-0.007424
Germanic:ISL_Viking_Age_Pre_Christian:VDP-A-5,0.126344,0.123895,0.076555,0.062016,0.03139,0.018128,0.007755,0.007615,0.009204,-0.007472,0.001624,0.007493,-0.009514,-0.018992,0.025651,0.02254,0.01356,0.004814,0.000377,0.002876,0.004742,0.005935,0.002095,0.012652,-0.00467
Germanic:DEU_MA:AED_106,0.125205,0.133034,0.064865,0.067184,0.03416,0.020917,0.00517,0.008769,0.002863,-0.009476,-0.006171,0.002548,-0.012042,-0.006193,0.019544,0.008486,0.015255,-0.006968,-0.015964,0.005503,-0.003244,0.012736,-0.017378,0.005422,-0.000239
Germanic:DEU_MA:AED_249,0.125205,0.126941,0.071653,0.04845,0.043085,0.023706,0.020211,0.001385,0.003477,-0.01057,-0.011854,-0.002398,-0.009663,0.003303,0.019679,-0.002784,-0.026598,-0.001774,0.004148,0.00988,0.01697,-0.006554,0.000123,0.007953,0.010658
Mozabite,-0.0649782,0.135551,-0.0032793,-0.0717622,0.0260249,-0.0328364,-0.0260656,0.0108257,0.0617306,0.0303463,0.0065097,-0.006366,0.021795,-0.0165685,0.0163159,-0.016176,-0.0027097,-0.0219282,-0.0435571,0.0082757,-0.0146263,-0.0367947,0.0246817,-0.0042277,0.0056594
Iberia_Central_BA,0.1239044,0.1505886,0.059639,0.0 003691,0.0686281,-0.0074901,-0.0052371,-0.0001319,0.0395609,0.0550354,-0.0029926,0.01291,-0.0243167,-0.019621,0.0066116,0.0103233,0.0156089,-0.0004163,-0.0021549,0.0007146,0.0115154,-0.0001766,-0.0088561,-0.020261,0.0028397

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Target: Creoda_scaled
Distance: 1.7769% / 0.01776939
61.2	Pre-Celtic-Briton/Beaker
20.6	Germanic
18.2	Celtic

Target: CreodaMum_scaled
Distance: 1.1707% / 0.01170711
54.4	Germanic
23.6	Pre-Celtic-Briton/Beaker
14.0	Celtic
4.0	ImperialRoman
4.0	Italic

Target: CreodaDad_scaled
Distance: 2.4566% / 0.02456600
55.6	Pre-Celtic-Briton/Beaker
26.8	Germanic
17.6	Celtic

Target: English
Distance: 1.0643% / 0.01064280
38.8	Germanic
33.4	Pre-Celtic-Briton/Beaker
23.8	Celtic
3.2	ImperialRoman
0.8	Italic

Target: English_Cornwall
Distance: 1.2100% / 0.01209999
33.8	Pre-Celtic-Briton/Beaker
33.8	Germanic
30.0	Celtic
1.4	ImperialRoman
1.0	Mozabite

Target: Scottish
Distance: 1.0600% / 0.01059965
52.0	Pre-Celtic-Briton/Beaker
29.2	Germanic
16.2	Celtic
2.6	ImperialRoman

Target: Welsh
Distance: 0.8879% / 0.00887907
36.4	Germanic
34.2	Pre-Celtic-Briton/Beaker
25.2	Celtic
4.2	ImperialRoman

Target: Irish
Distance: 1.2474% / 0.01247421
61.2	Pre-Celtic-Briton/Beaker
25.2	Germanic
11.4	Celtic
2.0	ImperialRoman
0.2	Mozabite

i added these samples , with your samples i was getting all celtic

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Iberia_BA:Iberia_BA:Iberia_Northeast_BA:I1313_d,0. 122929,0.152329,0.058831,-0.004845,0.064012,-0.019522,-0.008695,-0.001154,0.041927,0.047564,0.000325,0.010041,-0.029732,-0.011836,0.002036,0.010607,0.021774,0.005701,0.004 651,0.007379,0.01959,0.005935,-0.013311,-0.008555,0.001317
Iberia_BA:Iberia_BA:Iberia_Northeast_BA:I1836,0.12 9758,0.157407,0.058454,-0.00323,0.059396,-0.000558,-0.00141,-0.003231,0.039064,0.04811,0.00065,0.006145,-0.029435,-0.021332,0.002443,0.011535,0.008214,0.000127,-0.00176,-0.001251,0.008859,0.010016,-0.007765,-0.016629,-0.007544
Iberia_BA:Iberia_BA:Iberia_Northeast_BA:I4559,0.12 862,0.14319,0.062979,0.006783,0.07386,-0.004462,0.006345,0.000231,0.047859,0.062689,0.000 325,0.008093,-0.021407,-0.020368,-0.000679,0.02254,0.015646,-0.005068,0.00176,0.013506,0.010731,0.004328,-0.010723,-0.016267,0.002395
Iberia_BA:Iberia_BA:Iberia_Northeast_BA:I4560,0.12 7482,0.151314,0.059962,0.008398,0.063704,-0.005578,-0.00658,0.004154,0.025361,0.061049,-0.008931,0.007793,-0.029435,-0.019267,-0.005157,0.009016,0.025816,0.001394,-0.005656,0.003752,0.003119,-0.006677,-0.015406,-0.015183,0.003233
Iberia_BA:Iberia_BA:Iberia_Northeast_BA:I4561,0.13 0897,0.144205,0.064488,0.011305,0.065858,0.004462, 0.00235,0,0.041723,0.054853,-0.003897,0.015137,-0.026164,-0.018029,-0.000271,0.003713,-0.002868,0.008108,0.006662,0.001751,0.015348,-0.003957,-0.016392,-0.014219,-0.001078
Iberia_BA:Iberia_BA:Iberia_Northeast_BA:I4562,0.12 2929,0.152329,0.062979,-0.001938,0.065551,-0.007251,0.00235,-0.001154,0.039473,0.055035,-0.007957,0.004346,-0.024232,-0.016102,0.004343,0.008884,0.00339,-0.000127,0.000503,0.003502,0.010232,0.004081,-0.01023,-0.022654,0.006586
Iberia_BA:Iberia_BA:Iberia_Northeast_BA:I4563,0.12 6344,0.149283,0.059962,0.001615,0.072013,-0.00502,0.00235,-0.000923,0.035792,0.054124,-0.001786,0.010641,-0.027354,-0.023121,-0.001764,0.004243,0.002868,-0.000507,0.001885,0.00075,0.020214,-0.00136,-0.02391,-0.012532,-0.001557
Iberia_BA:Iberia_BA:Iberia_Southeast_BA:I3494,0.12 7482,0.158423,0.057322,-0.017442,0.07109,-0.00753,-0.010105,0.004846,0.0452,0.073806,-0.004872,0.012439,-0.020218,-0.014588,0.00665,0.001724,-0.000261,0.009755,-0.002011,0.001,0.011355,-0.001607,-0.009244,-0.029281,0.001557
Iberia_BA:Iberia_BA:Iberia_Southeast_BA:I3997,0.12 2929,0.160454,0.053928,-0.002584,0.06832,-0.013108,-0.0047,0.005307,0.046836,0.072165,0.000812,0.01378 8,-0.032259,-0.032754,0.006786,0.020817,0.024121,-0.005574,-0.006662,-0.001251,0.003369,0.004946,-0.008381,-0.025184,0.000599
Iberia_BA:Iberia_BA:Iberia_Southeast_BA:I8136,0.12 5205,0.15436,0.053928,-0.004845,0.069244,-0.006693,-0.00752,0.009,0.055221,0.06925,-0.001786,0.014687,-0.030773,-0.013487,0.000814,-0.001193,0.004172,-0.004181,0.010307,-0.007379,0.012104,0.003215,-0.002095,-0.020003,-0.005149
Iberia_BA:Iberia_BA:Iberia_Southeast_BA:I8570,0.13 2035,0.155376,0.057322,-0.004522,0.058472,0.000279,-0.0047,0.002308,0.044995,0.05376,-0.001624,0.005695,-0.020069,-0.010046,0.00665,0.001326,-0.007041,-0.006714,0.00088,0.008879,0.008111,-0.002226,0.000246,-0.010242,-0.001197
Iberia_BA:Iberia_Mallorca_EBA:I4329,0.120652,0.143 19,0.056568,0.008398,0.054472,0,0,0.005077,0.02311 1,0.043008,-0.012179,0.014087,-0.027502,-0.017891,0.0076,0.006895,0.010691,-0.002914,0.003268,-0.011756,-0.001747,-0.006183,-0.016885,-0.006868,0.0097
Iberia_BA:Iberia_BA:Iberia_Southwest_BA:I10939,0.1 17238,0.144205,0.043369,-0.014212,0.055395,-0.014223,0.00094,0.001846,0.047654,0.060685,-0.003735,0.007343,-0.018583,-0.014726,0.007329,0.007425,-0.001956,-0.006841,0,0.001251,0.018093,0.002349,-0.000863,-0.030486,0.002754
Iberia_BA:Iberia_BA:Iberia_Southwest_BA:I10941,0.1 22929,0.155376,0.057699,-0.012597,0.072937,-0.01255,-0.004935,0.007615,0.044382,0.064147,-0.003735,0.017085,-0.027205,-0.011698,0.004614,-0.009016,-0.005607,-0.000887,0.003142,0.004877,0.01123,-0.000866,-0.014297,-0.022533,0.001676
Iberia_BA:Iberia_BA:Iberia_Central_BA:I12208,0.119 514,0.155376,0.049026,-0.001292,0.067089,-0.00753,-0.00141,-0.000692,0.044791,0.055582,0.00065,0.015736,-0.026016,-0.023946,0.006515,0.014585,0.024251,-0.006208,-0.004902,-0.003627,0.010232,-0.00272,-0.010969,-0.016629,-0.001557
Iberia_BA:Iberia_BA:Iberia_Central_BA:I12209,0.120 652,0.147252,0.058831,-0.002907,0.068013,-0.005578,-0.001645,0.000923,0.037837,0.049022,0.000812,0.011 24,-0.025124,-0.022983,0.009772,0.012198,0.024121,0.001394,-0.006788,0.006378,0.009733,-0.006677,-0.008011,-0.017231,0.010418
Iberia_BA:Iberia_BA:Iberia_Central_BA:I3490,0.1297 58,0.153345,0.070522,0.005168,0.069551,-0.006414,-0.00987,-0.003923,0.039678,0.05212,-0.004872,0.015886,-0.018285,-0.011147,0.008143,0.008221,0.008084,0.000507,0.002 765,-0.005127,0.007986,0.004451,-0.018487,-0.033258,-0.005149
Iberia_BA:Iberia_BA:Iberia_Central_BA:I3493,0.1274 82,0.13405,0.050534,-0.001615,0.066782,-0.004183,-0.00752,0.006692,0.038655,0.050479,-0.012342,0.010491,-0.02557,-0.021332,0.010993,0.02148,0.011735,0.00114,-0.006034,0.002876,0.022336,0.005441,0.001972,-0.008435,0.008382
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Iberia_BA:Iberia_BA:Iberia_North_BA:I2470,0.120652 ,0.158423,0.05506,0.000969,0.062781,-0.007251,-0.00141,0.004384,0.041927,0.057951,-0.002761,0.007793,-0.016353,-0.011147,0.001357,-0.006497,-0.01369,0.011655,-0.005405,-0.014507,0.010606,0.001484,-0.012325,-0.0241,-0.002036
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Iberia_BA:Iberia_BA:Iberia_North_BA:VAD001,0.12862 ,0.147252,0.053174,0.008398,0.070475,0,-0.011516,0.007384,0.033746,0.058862,-0.003085,0.011839,-0.020515,-0.027112,0.007465,0.014585,0.022296,-0.003547,-0.012318,0.003502,0.014474,0.010016,-0.007641,-0.017111,0.001317
Iberia_BA:Iberia_BA:Iberia_North_BA:VAD004,0.12065 2,0.15436,0.052043,0.006783,0.06155,-0.007809,0.004935,0.002308,0.030679,0.058133,-0.005034,0.007643,-0.034192,-0.011698,0.015201,-0.010475,0.002217,0.005701,0.009427,-0.01038,0.006738,0.006306,-0.005669,-0.012411,0.010418
Iberia_BA:Iberia_BA:Iberia_North_BA:VAD005,0.12179 1,0.157407,0.055437,0.008721,0.072013,0.003347,-0.00188,-0.007154,0.03845,0.053942,-0.008931,0.005845,-0.015163,-0.018854,0.007057,0.013657,0.026729,0.006714,0.005 028,0.002626,0.006364,0.000742,-0.016392,-0.022172,-0.001796
Iberia_BA:Iberia_Formentera_MBA:I4420_all,0.120652 ,0.151314,0.048649,-0.002261,0.056934,-0.009203,-0.003995,0.004384,0.035792,0.058133,-0.001461,0.01079,-0.02438,-0.022845,0.004479,0.008884,0.012126,-0.001014,-0.003268,-0.002376,0.006114,0.000124,-0.000493,-0.01687,0.002275

so my result

Target: celtiville_scaled
Distance: 1.6245% / 0.01624514
23.4 Iberia_BA
16.8 Volta–Niger
16.4 Celtic
12.2 Germanic
10.0 Amerindian
9.0 Mozabite
8.2 Bantu-East
4.0 ImperialRoman