Croat K13 regional (and national) averages

[vbnetkhio]

Yes, I use Excel.

you should take charge of the Croatian averages. i can send you the excel database if you don't have it already.

[MoroLP]

Old-current averages:

Croat_Bosnia&Herzegovina,25.53,32.41,15.86,8.50,13.91,1.38,0.59 ,0.25,0.56,0.46,0.35,0.04,0.11
Croat_East,27.42,34.37,13.89,8.65,11.79,1.56,0.03, 0.14,1.16,0.62,0.35,0.02,0.01
Croat_Littoral,26.81,32.09,15.78,8.11,13.54,1.40,0 .33,0.24,0.56,0.49,0.39,0.13,0.11
Croat_north,31.28,33.43,14.32,7.22,9.91,1.18,0.61, 0.31,0.54,0.59,0.35,0.13,0.13
Croat,28.38,33.18,14.95,7.74,11.78,1.42,0.50,0.26, 0.56,0.53,0.45,0.10,0.13

Target Distance
Celto-Germanic * Early_Slavic * Paleo-Balkan
Croat_Bosnia&Herzegovina 3.26957000
2.4 59.6 38.0
Croat_East 4.02479049
9.2 62.4 28.4
Croat_Littoral 3.04843174
8.8 55.6 35.6
Croat_north 2.64516202
29.6 49.6 20.8
Croat 2.91855975
15.6 55.6 28.8

Target Distance
Early_Germanic * Early_Romanian/Balkanite * Early_Slav * Turkic/Tatar/Cuman
Croat_Bosnia&Herzegovina 1.87855946
0.0 37.2 62.8 0.0
Croat_East 1.78925076
4.0 27.8 67.8 0.4
Croat_Littoral 1.74738445
4.0 35.4 60.6 0.0
Croat_north 1.23510997
19.0 21.0 60.0 0.0
Croat 1.39805745
8.8 28.6 62.6 0.0

Target Distance
Alan * Germanic * Slavic * Vlach
Croat_Bosnia&Herzegovina 0.94454570
0.0 0.0 63.6 36.4
Croat_East 0.96181556
0.8 6.4 62.4 30.4
Croat_Littoral 0.94099799
0.0 2.2 60.4 37.4
Croat_north 0.50504371
0.0 16.6 57.8 25.6
Croat 0.62036817
0.0 6.4 61.6 32.0

New averages:

Croat_South,26.36,31.83,15.92,8.38,13.60,1.47,0.50 ,0.28,0.56,0.47,0.37,0.12,0.11
Croat_West,28.53,31.60,15.24,7.61,13.31,1.38,0.61, 0.38,0.36,0.38,0.40,0.13,0.07
Croat_East,26.84,34.60,14.13,8.26,12.31,1.43,0.22, 0.12,1.08,0.68,0.30,0.01,0.01
Croat_North,30.06,34.35,14.42,7.05,10.10,1.33,0.54 ,0.31,0.52,0.61,0.40,0.16,0.14
Croat,28.10,33.15,15.02,7.76,12.05,1.40,0.49,0.28, 0.59,0.54,0.38,0.12,0.10

Target Distance
Celto-Germanic * Early_Slavic * Paleo-Balkan
Croat_South 3.08782206
7.2 55.8 37.0
Croat_West 3.35202711
17.6 49.8 32.6
Croat_East 3.73943514
6.0 64.2 29.8
Croat_North 2.46731102
22.8 55.4 21.8
Croat 2.94054025
14.4 56.0 29.6

Target Distance
Early_Germanic * Early_Romanian/Balkanite * Early_Slav * Turkic/Tatar/Cuman
Croat_South 1.60360039
3.0 36.6 60.4 0.0
Croat_West 2.06799915
10.8 32.8 56.4 0.0
Croat_East 1.86758502
1.6 29.0 69.4 0.0
Croat_North 1.32915743
13.6 21.6 64.8 0.0
Croat 1.46059668
7.8 29.4 62.8 0.0

Target Distance
Germanic * Slavic * Vlach
Croat_South 0.74532767
1.6 60.8 37.6
Croat_West 0.97461719
7.6 54.8 37.6
Croat_East 0.89321452
3.8 65.0 31.2
Croat_North 0.48422179
10.0 63.8 26.2
Croat 0.65275339
6.0 61.4 32.6

First as far as ADMIXTURE is concerned, the first with three ancestral populations is not good enough because it has a much greater distance than the others and its "Celto-Germanic" share is unrealistically high and even too high (impossible as "North" is 23-30%, etc.), while the second with four and Stearsolina’s last with modern ancestral populations seem pretty good to use.

As can be seen, the new supraregional and national averages have identical or very similar and meaningful percentages of K13 components (eg Croatian national averages are almost identical, but the newer one is a bit more realistic; "South" and "West" have the same Baltic, but "West" has a larger NA; "South" and "East" have the same NA, but "East" has a larger Baltic; "North" is expectedly most northern-shifted), have lower distances (eg "South" agreed very well, "North" also, etc.), seem more realistic considering the shares of ancestral components (eg Croatian national average should be around 30-35% Old Balkan, but not lower than that; "North" realistically should be lower than 20% Germanic; "West" realistically second as far as NA is concerned due to Germanic and Italian influence; all around 30-35% Old Balkan except "North" which is around 21-26% but should not be lower than 20%).

Vbnetkhio, Lucas, Peterski etc. are welcome to make PCA to see how it looks like.

[Jana]

Fantastic work Moro!!! It was great idea to give average making to you. Thanks to Vbnethkio as well for helping you with database and old censuses. Looks neat up:

[MoroLP]

PCA using Vahaduo Custom PCA:

Vahaduo_Custom_PCAResize.png

[MoroLP]

Seeing how were made the current Serbian averages (link), and based on the regionalization reasoning used in Croatian averages, Vbnetkhio can you make another four Serbian regional averages using the weighting methods:

1) "West" - including samples from Croatia and Western Bosnia
2) "Central" - including samples from Eastern Bosnia and Herzegovina and the central part of Serbia
3) "North" - including samples from Vojvodina (+Eastern Slavonia?)
4) "South" - including samples from Southeastern Serbia and Kosovo

First is representing those Serbs who migrated westward and lived in close proximity to Croats for several centuries. The second is basically the core of the medieval Serbian state. The third has a complex history, and the fourth is self-explanatory. It would be informative to compare them to current Serbian averages and others.

[vbnetkhio]

Seeing how were made the current Serbian averages (link), and based on the regionalization reasoning used in Croatian averages, Vbnetkhio can you make another four Serbian regional averages using the weighting methods:

1) "West" - including samples from Croatia and Western Bosnia
2) "Central" - including samples from Eastern Bosnia and Herzegovina and the central part of Serbia
3) "North" - including samples from Vojvodina (+Eastern Slavonia?)
4) "South" - including samples from Southeastern Serbia and Kosovo

First is representing those Serbs who migrated westward and lived in close proximity to Croats for several centuries. The second is basically the core of the medieval Serbian state. The third has a complex history, and the fourth is self-explanatory. It would be informative to compare them to current Serbian averages and others.

You can check out the previous version of the averages:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post6926961

But they don't depict the genetics of these regions accurately. I made that division back when I knew less about genetics than I do now. Just take them as rough approximations.

That's why I made the new version, it's the best which can be extracted from the current data.

[MoroLP]

...Looks neat

Looking at the database, we are lacking samples from central and eastern Istria to make a balance with the western coast; we especially lack samples from Kvarner because of which the Istria&Kvarner regional average is mostly based on (western coast) Istria which is pulling it more southern due to new western samples in comparison to older average which had a slightly higher Baltic; and samples from eastern Croatia of course. Other regions look fine for now.

[Ion Basescul]

Is this the thread to dump results from Croatia?

From Buzet, Istarska

North_Atlantic	24.41 Pct
Baltic	28.37 Pct
West_Med	20.9 Pct
West_Asian	10.52 Pct
East_Med	10.83 Pct
Red_Sea	-
South_Asian	3.37 Pct
East_Asian	-
Siberian	1.09 Pct
Amerindian	0.19 Pct
Oceanian	0.32 Pct
Northeast_African	-
Sub-Saharan	-

[Ion Basescul]

1/2 Buzet (relative to the one above), 1/2 Karlovac, Karlovacka

North_Atlantic	26.3 Pct
Baltic	32.77 Pct
West_Med	17.33 Pct
West_Asian	8.58 Pct
East_Med	9.84 Pct
Red_Sea	1.89 Pct
South_Asian	0.83 Pct
East_Asian	-
Siberian	1.07 Pct
Amerindian	0.08 Pct
Oceanian	1.31 Pct
Northeast_African	-
Sub-Saharan	-

[Ion Basescul]

1/2 Zadarska, 1/2 Primorsko-Goranska

North_Atlantic	29.36 Pct
Baltic	25.45 Pct
West_Med	15.66 Pct
West_Asian	6.34 Pct
East_Med	20.09 Pct
Red_Sea	1.01 Pct
South_Asian	-
East_Asian	-
Siberian	1.52 Pct
Amerindian	-
Oceanian	0.58 Pct
Northeast_African	-
Sub-Saharan	-