classify Azerbaijanis

[Mejgusu]

Yes, there are tons of extremely hateful Baku people shouting: "Rus Fars Ermeni Bunlar Turkun dusmani" (“Russians, Persians, Armenians are enemies of Turks”)

The same thing i can post of armenian side. in every country you can find hateful guys. so please stop indicate that azerbaijan is full of people like this.

With that said though, there are some republic azeris that Im friends with that are very convinced persians are "Indian arab invaders" that invaded Iran and stole azerbaijani land lol.

Thats the first time that ive heard something like this. There are many nationalists who sometime say untrue statements, but that is very weird. Its like claiming hethits were proturkics. But again: you find this kind of nonsense in every nation.

You should tell these dicks that your people are their fathers and their true masters, and without them they wouldn't exist. You should also tell them that Persians are genetically descendants mostly from the pre-Iranic natives of Iran and some of their genepool is from central Asia. They don't have any Arabian admixture in them. Persians had entered written history around the same time as us Arabs around the 9th century BC while Azeris didn't even identified themselves as Azeris until 1918.

They would exist, they just be something different. Why you are writing so aggressively, just a user claimed that he would heard something what some azerbaijanis would claim...

[Kmakkmak]

They are mostly Turkic looking. But majority of Azerbaijanis not look like them.

[Pater Patota]

Armenians lean towards west(south East Euro) unlike Azerbaijanis, generally Azerbaijanis look somewhat native Caucasian+Slight Iranid.

[Kmakkmak]

also Ilham Aliyev looks kinda Armenian

İlham Aliyev is Armenian?

[Məşədi Ağa Elşən Bəy]

Armenians lean towards west(south East Euro) unlike Azerbaijanis, generally Azerbaijanis look somewhat native Caucasian+Slight Iranid.

there are also people with Turkic genes

[Məşədi Ağa Elşən Bəy]

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how does my skull shape look?

[Mejgusu]

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how does my skull shape look?

We are not racial researcher of 19th century dude...

[Oghuz]

I will contribute to this thread later.

Agree phenotypical differences are there obviously. But Meson is half Lur (southwestern iranian) too so he shouldn't be the best example.

Btw only two of the guys in OP would look out of place in Iranian azerbaijan.

1/4 Lur through maternal female line.

[Babak]

The same thing i can post of armenian side. in every country you can find hateful guys. so please stop indicate that azerbaijan is full of people like this.




Thats the first time that ive heard something like this. There are many nationalists who sometime say untrue statements, but that is very weird. Its like claiming hethits were proturkics. But again: you find this kind of nonsense in every nation.



They would exist, they just be something different. Why you are writing so aggressively, just a user claimed that he would heard something what some azerbaijanis would claim...

Well of course these type of people exist everywhere. It's no surprise but I guess they were simply misinformed.

[Oghuz]

Thanks for the link, but on your supposed agenda on my part regarding this question you're absolutely wrong. I just believe my eyes. Just compare for example the guy from this forum Meson who is Azerbaijani from Iran and these photos in this thread. Zero resemblance!

I do have a progressive Iranid skull shape but I also happen to have the more Turanid hooded Eyes than Oghuz Khan himself ever had. Unbiased most members here classified me as Cap-Med/Caspid with mild Turanid + Irano Nordoid ... all regional Iranian Azeri phenos.

Well I've never been to Iran so I am not going to claim that I know the whole picture. I judge only by those Iranian Azerbaijanis whom I saw in Armenia and by those Baku Azerbaijanis whom I saw in Russia. And the difference between them in appearance is huge.

Yes you are right and geographically almost all ethnic groups show similar gradient in their appearances and even genetics. Persian from Hamadan would be different from Kerman or same goes for a Feyli Kurd vs Kurmanji Kurd. Two factors behind the gradient are that Iranian Azeris have been living isolated from republic azeris while mixing with other NW Iranics for two centuries now and these last two centuries have seen large urbanization in Iran where mixing happens. Secondly, identity change of native population (larger) happened through cultural shifting + genetic admixture through marriages with migrant Turkomans (smaller). When native proportion of genetics is much larger than the migrated part then the inclination towards native phenotype is obvious. Iranian azeris have more progressive skull (native) but soft tissue proportions in some (not all) show the Turkic element (migrant), usually eyes. Not all have it though.

Iranian Media, Sports, Military, Clergy and Politics is full of Iranian Azeris and we look exclusively what we are.



Crowds from Zanjan, Tabriz, Ardabil.

this one is kinda true , Seljuqs were Turkmens and a while after they expanded into caucasus , they were mixed with native caucasians , persians and armenians (tho even before that Khazars had Azerbaijan for some while but they didnt migrate) also the Mongolian conquests expanded Turko-Mongol genes into Azerbaijan , and also many places had lost previous populations and instead of them Mongols and Turkic tribes who were soldiers in Mongol army settled there , you can find villages in Azerbaijan which have heavy Mongolian influence , one example is the village my grandmother is origianlly from , she looks more Mongolian while the rest of family look Central Asian.
also many people were either assimilated or they married local Persians , Armenians and Caucasians and that made lots of people with mixed ancestry , also some Seljuqs and Ottomans and later Islamicised Mongols forced people of other religions to convert to Islam and those people who converted were also assimilated into Turko-Mongol culture and a language shift happened

Good balanced post. Except that ethnic Turkoman elite usually mixed with either Kurds, Tats, Talysh, Ashtianis, Armenians or Caucasus groups like Georgians, Lezgins. Azeri Persian mixing only started recently and that too in bigger cities of Iran. It took off massively though and now its the most famous and most populated combination of Iranians.

His father Geydar Aliyev came from Sisian region of Armenia, from mixed Kurdish-Armenian family. In Soviet times his father hundreds times visited Armenia and spoke fluent Armenian. By the way Geydar Aliyev in Soviet KGB oversaw the kurdish direction, and PKK was his brainchild. That's why despite Turkey's stance Azerbaijan does not recognize PKK as a terrorist organization.

We know this history very well. Politics is always way above ethnic and linguistic identities.

Idk man. The persian side of my family never were aware that ROA even existed until recently lol. I don't think many persians care tbh except for some nationalists on anthro forums. Its a bit exaggerated. However, do agree they can be very annoying.

With that said though, there are some republic azeris that Im friends with that are very convinced persians are "Indian arab invaders" that invaded Iran and stole azerbaijani land lol.

In my life I have never ever heard a Persian saying something like this to me and I am a Turan faced Azeri with a name and surname that screams Turkoman. Do not take internet too seriously Azizam.

You should tell these dicks that your people are their fathers and their true masters, and without them they wouldn't exist. You should also tell them that Persians are genetically descendants mostly from the pre-Iranic natives of Iran and some of their genepool is from central Asia. They don't have any Arabian admixture in them. Persians had entered written history around the same time as us Arabs around the 9th century BC while Azeris didn't even identified themselves as Azeris until 1918.

I would not worry about such toxic idiots on internet. In my experience, dissidents and ethno-nationalists usually are raised in cultural isolation where they get delusional and build fantasies in their minds about small sub-ethnic identities because they actually have never interacted with other regional groups. That is what make them cucks to foreign identities. You wont see IRGC Chief (Afshar Azeri) or Defense minister of Iran (Shahseven Azeri) or even Supreme leader Khamenei mentioning their azeri identity but you will hear it in excess from culturally deprived larpers on internet in excess. These people do not matter.