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    Salahaddin Al Ayyubi was born in the city of Tikrit. His family, who were originally Kurdish nobles from the Caucasus, were forced to flee from their homeland following a Turkish raid against their village. He quickly rose to prominence and established an empire which included Libya, Tunisia, Egypt, Palestine, Syria, Iraq, Kurdistan, Sudan, Mecca/Medina and Yemen. This period we can perhaps call the Kurdish golden age, where Kurds came to dominate most of the Middle East.



    Salahaddin’s army consisted primarily of Kurds with minorities of Turkmen and Arabs. The descendants of Ayyubi Kurdish soldiers and noblemen are many particularly in the countries of Egypt, Syria, Palestine and they carry the surname ‘Al Kurdi’. The Ayyubid period was really a turning point in Kurdish history.

    Kurds became known as notorious fighters across the world during the Ayyubid period. Amongst the Europeans and Crusaders, Kurds became known for their chivalry in the way they conquered Jerusalem and spared its Christian inhabitants, amongst the Muslim world as elite warriors and amongst the Mongols as formidable opponents.

    The Ayyubid eagle is still today visible in the national symbols of Egypt, Syria, Iraq and Kurdistan. The Ayyubid flag, which was yellow, has been adopted by the Kurdish YPG/SDF forces.


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    His brothers and sisters with interesting names.

    Turan-Shah https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turan-Shah

    Tughtekin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tughtakin_ibn_Ayyub

    Rabi'a Khatun (her husband Gokbori https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6kb%C3%B6ri)

    Fatima Khatun https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sitt_al-Sham

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    Quote Originally Posted by eatensemn View Post
    His brothers and sisters with interesting names.

    Turan-Shah https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turan-Shah

    Tughtekin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tughtakin_ibn_Ayyub

    Rabi'a Khatun (her husband Gokbori https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6kb%C3%B6ri)

    Fatima Khatun https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sitt_al-Sham
    Yep all Kurds. Except for Gokbori, he was Turkmen. He was related to the Ayyubi through marriage only.

    Salahaddins uncle:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shirkuh

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    Quote Originally Posted by eatensemn View Post
    His brothers and sisters with interesting names.

    Turan-Shah https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turan-Shah

    Tughtekin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tughtakin_ibn_Ayyub

    Rabi'a Khatun (her husband Gokbori https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6kb%C3%B6ri)

    Fatima Khatun https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sitt_al-Sham
    Turkic/Turcoman mother is possible, since she is not known it's plausible she was a Mamluk slave, they were quite popular especially among soldiers during the Seljuk/Fatimid period
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Maul View Post
    Turkic/Turcoman mother is possible, since she is not known it's plausible she was a Mamluk slave, they were quite popular especially among soldiers during the Seljuk/Fatimid period
    His father's lineage is very well documented though. They were Kurds from Dvin (Armenia). His mother I don't know. Back then mother's line wasn't important so it was never documented.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Halgurd View Post
    His father's lineage is very well documented though. They were Kurds from Dvin (Armenia). His mother I don't know. Back then mother's line wasn't important so it was never documented.
    True, however now that I think about it, its actually likely that the mother was of Mamluk Slave origin. His Father was not just any soldier, but a mid-level Emir and advisor who was also connected to the Shaddadids, so it would have been documented if he was married to another midlevel noblewoman, similar to how the intermarriages happened in the early Safavid family.. if it wasn't documented then she was likely a slave or a concubine, most of which at the time were of Mamluk/Turkic origin. I think the names also contribute to this
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Maul View Post
    True, however now that I think about it, its actually likely that the mother was of Mamluk Slave origin.
    Do you really think about a slave woman with powers enough to name most of her sons and daughters, especially in a kurdish community?

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    Quote Originally Posted by eatensemn View Post
    His brothers and sisters with interesting names.

    Turan-Shah https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turan-Shah

    Tughtekin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tughtakin_ibn_Ayyub

    Rabi'a Khatun (her husband Gokbori https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6kb%C3%B6ri)

    Fatima Khatun https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sitt_al-Sham
    Turan is a pretty common name among Yezidis. It literally translates to the dark lands. Tur /Tar meaning dark. Also there was a Turan in modern Balochistan during Sassanid era and there is a Turan-Shah city in the Kurdish regions of West Iran.

    But Tughtakin might be a Turkish name and it doesn't really suprise me like it doesn't suprise me that some Ottoman rulers have Arabic or Persian derived names.. The Ayyubids were very much connected to the early Seljuks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Maul View Post
    True, however now that I think about it, its actually likely that the mother was of Mamluk Slave origin. His Father was not just any soldier, but a mid-level Emir and advisor who was also connected to the Shaddadids, so it would have been documented if he was married to another midlevel noblewoman, similar to how the intermarriages happened in the early Safavid family.. if it wasn't documented then she was likely a slave or a concubine, most of which at the time were of Mamluk/Turkic origin. I think the names also contribute to this
    Anything can be a possibility. But I guess its all speculation. No one really disputes Ottoman Sultans Turkish origins despite their maternal line being non Turkish.

    The dynasty of Ayyub itself is pure Kurdish. Plus the name Turan shah isn't actually Turkic, it's Iranic. Tughtekin was also the name of a well known Turkic Muslim warrior at the time who fought the Crusaders, it is possible he is named after him. Rabia is an Arabic name, who married Gokbori the governor of Erbil at the time who was unrelated to the Ayyubid family before his marriage.

    Turks in this case use it more as a ploy to discredit Salahaddin's Kurdish origins which I find very sad honestly.

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