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    @Halgrud. The Ayyubids were predominantly a Muslim Kurdish Dynasty. But they also had Turkic, Arab, and Persian groups among their fighting ranks. The Ayyubids were allied to the Seljuks which pretty much were pushing on the borders of the Byzantines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eatensemn View Post
    Do you really think about a slave woman with powers enough to name most of her sons and daughters, especially in a kurdish community?
    Well I am just saying its possible, Fatimid Caliph Al Hafiz was said to have like 20 Seljuk 'Kal' slaves in his harem, I assume it was pretty common back then and Saladin's father was decently high ranking to have his own.. not to mention Turanshah is not even Turkic
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    They Ayyubid dynasty was very short lived. The Eagle of Baathism/Republicanism has nothing to with the Kurds. Baathism was founded by an Arab Christian and is based off National Socialism which is why all their countries are tri-color flags and most are Red White and Black. The "Eagle of Salahdin" also is not based off anything to do with Salahdin, it actually comes from Egypt and the eagle it's based off is is post Ayyubid.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eagle_of_Saladin

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaleoEuropean View Post
    They Ayyubid dynasty was very short lived. The Eagle of Baathism/Republicanism has nothing to with the Kurds. Baathism was founded by an Arab Christian and is based off National Socialism which is why all their countries are tri-color flags and most are Red White and Black. The "Eagle of Salahdin" also is not based off anything to do with Salahdin, it actually comes from Egypt and the eagle it's based off is is post Ayyubid.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eagle_of_Saladin
    It was a symbol of the Ayyubid dynasty, which inspired the national symbols of Iraq, Egypt and Syria. Even Saddam compared himself to Salahaddin very often. I do not know why you're disputing this. It's a very well known fact where we're from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Halgurd View Post
    Anything can be a possibility. But I guess its all speculation. No one really disputes Ottoman Sultans Turkish origins despite their maternal line being non Turkish.

    The dynasty of Ayyub itself is pure Kurdish. Plus the name Turan shah isn't actually Turkic, it's Iranic. Tughtekin was also the name of a well known Turkic Muslim warrior at the time who fought the Crusaders, it is possible he is named after him. Rabia is an Arabic name, who married Gokbori the governor of Erbil at the time who was unrelated to the Ayyubid family before his marriage.

    Turks in this case use it more as a ploy to discredit Salahaddin's Kurdish origins which I find very sad honestly.
    Well obviously yes he was completely Kurdish I am not denying it, but I am just saying it was not as uncommon as you might think, especially for someone of his caste. Not that it matters really, because if we based it off of the mother then Ottoman empire is Ukrainian and Safavid is Georgian...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Halgurd View Post
    It was a symbol of the Ayyubid dynasty, which inspired the national symbols of Iraq, Egypt and Syria. Even Saddam compared himself to Salahaddin very often. I do not know why you're disputing this. It's a very well known fact where we're from.
    The Republican/Egyptian eagle is based off a specific eagle in Cairo that is not from the same period, they have no connection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demhat View Post
    Turan is a pretty common name among Yezidis. It literally translates to the dark lands. Tur /Tar meaning dark. Also there was a Turan in modern Balochistan during Sassanid era and there is a Turan-Shah city in the Kurdish regions of West Iran.

    But Tughtakin might be a Turkish name and it doesn't really suprise me like it doesn't suprise me that Ottoman rulers have Arabic names.. The Ayyubids were very much connected to the early Seljuks.
    That’s amazing because Tur means black in Pashto. Now that I think about it in kurmanji we say taari for dark

    Turan is mostly known as that historic area in C. Asia. Actually i wonder if the Pashtun Turi tribe is from there

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turan

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turi_(Pashtun_tribe)

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    What i like about Salah-u-din is not only how brilliant a military strategist he was but also how fair and forgiving he was to his enemies. He was even recognized for that by his crusader enemies such as Richard the lionheart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoro View Post
    That’s amazing because Tur means black in Pashto. Now that I think about it in kurmanji we say taari for dark

    Turan is mostly known as that historic area in C. Asia. Actually i wonder if the Pashtun Turi tribe is from there

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turan

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turi_(Pashtun_tribe)
    I thought that was widely accepted knowledge. Yes Tari/tar/Tur derive from the very same root. It means dark. But some have adopted it for Black too. The whole Aryan vs Turan thing is about civilized vs "backward" (nomadic).

    West Iranic more settled "civilized" tribes used to call the Central Asian East Iranic tribes Turanians as some sort of "insult". Literally meaning those of the dark lands (People who still live in the dark ages). While we are the Aryans (The noble civilized people). Of course the East Iranians didn't accept that insult and called themselves the Aryans (Nobles) lol. The whole Aryan-Turan thing is the way of insulting each other about who is more nomadic and backward lol.

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    I not say Saladin was of Kurdish. Some claimed Saladin was of Arabic origin. He was Kurdized Arab or Arabized Kurdish. In historical event.

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