Ayyubi Kurds

[Kamal900]

Demma دمع is tears in Arabic. Demm دم means blood right?

It's Damm for Blood in Arabic. Demmoa3 is tears in Arabic.

[Kmakkmak]

What has this thread got to do with turks?

xayin u xofros tu ne kurdi

xayin u xofros tu ne kurdi? What translate is?

[Kmakkmak]

Ekrad and Etrak is from Arabic language.

[Halgurd]

xayin u xofros tu ne kurdi? What translate is?

I thought you said you were Kurdish?

[Demhat]

Gokbori was not even related to Saladin and Khatun is not Turkic either it is borrowed by the original Iranic word xwāten.. only suspicious one is Tugtekin but it’s possible that Saladins father knew the original Tughetkin and perhaps named his son after him although I think the mamluk slave mother explanation is more accurate

I doubt there was much Slave trade going on inbetween West, South and Central Asian tribes who shared at leas the religion. That doesn't necessary mean his mother couldn't have been of Turkic origin, it could be and it could not be. I just don't believe it was down to Slavery.

As you correctly pointed out Khatun has actually Iranic roots. and used by Kurds, Persians, East Iranics and Turkic people. It literally derives from Khwatun. Khwa (xwa in Kurdish) meaning her/himself. It literally translates to, "her who rules herself" literally synonym with Queen. That is why we still tend to you use Khatun synoynm for "my queen" (my wife).

I also don't understand why we are still here debating about the origin of some names as if it had such a high weight for the origin during Medievil times when Muslims were literally living side by side in a religius Caliphate and were using names of Muslim leaders of other tribes. It's not like we are talking about the Iron Age when the origin of a name actually meant allot more for the origin of that individual.

We literally had Early Seljuk Sultans with Arabic names such as Musa and Mikael. Ottoman rulers with the names such as Osman (Othman Arabic) or Beyazid (Iranic for white).

People tended to give their Children names based on notable Muslim leaders and personalities. The origin of the name didn't matter much.

[Demhat]

During the reign of the Ayyubid dynasty, there were towns in the Levant were built during that time period. There's a castle in Syria called "Demmo3 al-Akkard" or "Tears of the Kurds" which was built in the Ayyubid dynasty of Syria which had housed the first assassins order founded by a Persian.

There is also a Castle in Syria's Latakia from where they attacked the Crusaders. it is called Ḥoṣn al-Akrād (Fortress of the Kurds). The Ayyubids were very much aware of their origin. Literally everywhere the Ayyubids went you can find traces that point to their origin.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krak_des_Chevaliers

[Kamal900]

There is also a Castle in Syria's Latakia from where they attacked the Crusaders. it is called Ḥoṣn al-Akrād (Fortress of the Kurds). The Ayyubids were very much aware of their origin. Literally everywhere the Ayyubids went you can find traces that point to their origin.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krak_des_Chevaliers

Obviously. I mean, the Kurds were first mentioned as a distinct group of peoples even before the Ayyubids and so on.

[Armenian Bishop]

https://www.ancient.eu/Saladin/

Battle of Hattin & Jerusalem
The battle of Hattin began on 3 July 1187 CE when Saladin’s mounted archers continuously attacked and retreated, providing a continuous harassment of the marching Franks. As one Muslim historian put it: ‘the arrows plunged into them transforming their lions into hedgehogs’ (quoted in Phillips, 162). The next day, a more substantial engagement ensued. Saladin was able to field some 20,000 troops at Hattin. The Franks were under the leadership of Guy of Lusignan, king of the Kingdom of Jerusalem (r. 1186-1192 CE) and could field around 15,000 infantry and 1,300 knights. The Franks were outnumbered and seriously short of water, while the Muslim army, with plentiful supplies thanks to their camel trains, set fire to the dry grass and brush to peak the enemy’s thirst even further. The Franks' formation broke up with the infantry in disarray and no longer providing the usual protective ring for the heavy cavalry. A cavalry force led by Raymond of Tripoli did break through the Muslim lines but for the remainder of the army there was to be no escape and Saladin won a resounding victory against the largest army the Franks had ever assembled.

There was also the Battle of Arsuf, in 1191. Saladin did have a brilliant military mind, despite that, there were quite a number of occasions when the Crusaders trounced his armies.

Richard the Lionheart was in the thickest of the fighting at Arsuf: "There the king, the fierce, the extraordinary king, cut down the Turks in every direction, and none could escape the force of his arm, for wherever he turned, brandishing his sword, he carved a wide path for himself: and as he advanced and gave repeated strokes with his sword, cutting them down like a reaper with his sickle, the rest, warned by the sight of the dying, gave him more ample space, for the corpses of the dead Turks which lay on the face of the earth extended over half a mile."
* Quoted from an Anonymous translation of Itinerarium, Book IV Ch. XIX, p. 182.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle...f#cite_note-50

[Armenian Bishop]

[Raslen3]

Just something to add

"During the negotiations relating to the investiture to the Fatimid vizierate, 'Isâ al-Hakkârî, a Kurd, persuaded Qutb al-Dîn Tulayl to drop his candidacy in favor of Saladin: “Saladin and you are both from the same group. He is from a kurdish origin (inna aslahu min al-akrâd). Then you won’t let the power pass to the Turks. He promised to increase his income. So he obeyed Saladin (atâ‘ahu)”" Ibn Khallikân, Kitâb wafayât al-a‘yân wa anbâ’Abnâ’ al-zamân, vol. 7, p. 153, 155

So it is obvious his Kurdish origin did effect him in his life. Keep in mind though the absolute majority of his population (and army) was Arab and he lived among Arabs for most of his life, so he was a pretty Arabized Kurd which is why many Arabs still hold him in high regard as a symbol of Arab unity.