Mongol invasions of India

[Hajimurad]

Timur Lenk's predicted Haplo is J-M172, he only claimed to be a descendant of Genghis Khan, if he was it wasn't likely directly.

Tamerlane wasn't a descendant of Genghis Khan. He was from Mongol tribe of Barlas. Only his direct descendant Babur was descended from Genghis Khan by maternal side.

[Demhat]

Khurramite origin of Qizilbash? Sounds like Ottoman propaganda. Qizilbash were originated as Sufi order founded by Safawi family whose earliest paternal ancestor migrated from Kurdistan under Rawwadid dynasty. There are nothing indicating connection between Safawi family and Khurramis except living in Azerbaijan.

There is allot of propaganda going on about Safavid origin. For example. Turkish Wikipedia doesn't point out the Sufi Orders origin and where they came from, while literally using Britannica as source which clearly speaks about the Kurdish origin of this order.

The Safavid Dynasty was a hard mix between Kurdish locals in Northwest Iran, Turkmens and allot of Persians. But the building origin, the Sufi Order were Kurds who came straight from Diyarbakir.

[Oghuz]

The Kizilbash tribal confederations originate from modern day Turkey and is based on turkmen tribes

Safaviyya and later kizilbas order was started by Safavi Shaykhs in Ardabil.

Yes majority of the supporting Uymayqs at that time were in east Anatolia but not all ... large Halebi Shamlu and Qajar are examples.

There were no Turks in Iran during Babak Khorramdin's time though. The first Turks to ever stepped food into the Iranian Plateau were the Seljuks and they had nothing to do with the Kizilbash either.

I never said that anything related to ethnicity ????

What I was mentioning was that some modern day Turkish historian claims that kizilbas and Safaviyya ideology was a spiritual descendant of 8th century Khorammites (babak Khoramdin) and Kayasanite (Al-Mukhtar) like early movements referred as Shia Ghulat belief. Its their opinion, true or not is for the reader to decide. It has nothing to do with ethnicity.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khurramites#Legacy

this is 300 years after Ismayl, we were talking about time of Ismayls death.

Also borders of "Iran" and "Anatolia" weren't really defined by that time. Since there was the Qoyunlu expanding from East Anatolia into Iran and Caucasus.

I was not talking about times of Shah Ismail death. I was talking about the kizilbas continuation after that, which is why I gave example of Ziadalu Khan. Sense of country developed quickly among these tribes which is why each ruling clan did its best to restore territorial integrity.

Also borders of "Iran" and "Anatolia" weren't really defined by that time. Since there was the Qoyunlu expanding from East Anatolia into Iran and Caucasus.

Battle of Chaldiran marked the boundary between Ottomans and Iranian territory. It was breached many times afterwards from both sides but Chaldiran was definitely a boundary marker event. As for tribal continuation beyond borders, same is true for almost any ethnicity which lives on borders like Kurdish and Luri tribes extending into Iraq but boundary is still there.

There is allot of propaganda going on about Safavid origin. For example. Turkish Wikipedia doesn't point out the Sufi Orders origin and where they came from, while literally using Britannica as source which clearly speaks about the Kurdish origin of this order.

The Safavid Dynasty was a hard mix between Kurdish locals in Northwest Iran, Turkmens and allot of Persians. But the building origin, the Sufi Order were Kurds who came straight from Diyarbakir.

Its normal. Every group has its own versions of history.