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    Default Eye and hair colour distribution among 616 Greeks (both sexes studied)

    Another pigmentation survey of mine.
    Mentioning my criteria once again:
    I've always had a pretty clear criterion of blondism (even when I didn't know anything about anthropology) which actually matches the Fischer-Saller scale. What I consider blond includes the nuances listed on it. Yellowish colour of one or another form is my idea of blondism (even wikipedia agrees with me):
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blond
    If a person has light hair lacking these tones I call that light brown, not blond.
    Orange and similar reddish blond shades affect both blondism and rufosity rate.
    Here is the scale I used. Colours A to O are what I count as blond.
    The numbers V and VI reflect reddish blond hair and affect both blondism and rufosity values. Deeper orange shades I also include as reddish blond.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fische...93Saller_scale
    Other hair colours in my view:
    - light brown
    - medium brown (including medium ash brown nuances)
    - dark brown (again including some dark ash brown forms)
    - black
    - reddish brown
    - pure red
    To estimate the eye colours distribution I use the Martin-Schultz scale. Green eyes with brown spots when green dominates I count as light. Evenly mixed green-brown shades and such where brown dominates I consider hazel and don't count as light.
    The Martin-Schultz scale includes:
    1-2 : blue iris (1a, 1b, 1c, 2a : light blue iris - 2b : darker blue iris)
    3 : blue-gray iris
    4 : gray iris (4a, 4b)
    5 : blue-gray iris with yellow/brown spots
    6 : gray-green iris with yellow/brown spots
    7 : green iris
    8 : green iris with yellow/brown spots
    9-10-11 : light-brown and hazel iris
    12-13 : medium brown iris
    14-15-16 : dark-brown and black iris
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin...3Schultz_scale
    Sampling method
    Gypsies and people of mixed Sub-Saharan African by origin (some names in the links I post belong to such) were excluded. A small minority (not more than 10, if I remember correct) are Greek + other ethnicity (Dutch, German, Iranian, Croat, French, etc.).
    Female sample consists of singers, actresses, models, footballers, volleyballers, handballers, politicians (including government ministers and MEPs) and members of metal band Astarte (R.I.P., Maria Kolokouri!). Male sample is made of singers, actors and footballers. I skipped people of whom I couldn't find good photos for the purposes of this study. Among men footballers were the last group I included and Nektarios Azizi was the very last person who made it to the list. Everyone counted with natural hair colour.
    Links:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catego...female_singers
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catego...film_actresses
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catego...reek_actresses
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catego..._female_models
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catego...7s_footballers
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catego...eyball_players
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catego...ndball_players
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catego...en_in_politics
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catego...ters_of_Greece
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catego...EPs_for_Greece
    https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Astarte/2233
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catego...k_male_singers
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catego...le_film_actors
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catego...ek_footballers

    Above you see the Martin-Schultz scale. Colours 1-8 I count as light.
    Ladies' results showing the number of individuals with the respective eye/hair colour and the percentage it occupies within a total of 308 women:
    Hair colour distribution:
    Blonde – 44 (14,29%)
    Reddish blonde – 5 (1,63%)
    Red – 1 (0,32%)
    Reddish brown – 1 (0,32%)
    Light brown – 15 (4,87%)
    Medium brown – 90 (29,22%)
    Medium ash brown – 13 (4,22%)
    Dark brown – 71 (23,05%)
    Dark ash brown – 34 (11,04%)
    Black – 34 (11,04%)
    Total blondism value: 15,92% (49 women)
    Total rufosity rate: 2,27% (7 individuals)
    Brown hair total: 72,72% (224 women)
    Medium brown shades percentage (including the ashy tones): 33,44% (103 women)
    Dark brown shades (including ashy nuances): 34,09% (105 individuals)
    Dark hair total (dark brown shades + black): 45,13% (139 ladies)

    Regarding eye colour distribution among females, two displayed a heterochromia of blue-brown colour variant. They were counted as dark-mixed, since light part didn't dominate.
    Eye colour distribution:
    Blue – 29 (9,41%)
    Blue-green – 6 (1,95%)
    Blue-grey – 11 (3,57%)
    Green-grey – 38 (12,34%)
    Grey – 3 (0,97)
    Green – 26 (8,44%)
    Hazel – 68 (22,08%)
    Brown – 120 (38,96%)
    Black – 5 (1,63%)
    Blue-brown – 2 (0,65%)
    Light eyes total: 36,68% (113 women)
    Dark/dark-mixed eyes total: 63,32% (195 women)
    Blue and blue-mixed light eyes rate: 14,93% (46 individuals)
    Grey and grey-mixed light eyes value: 16,88% (52 people)

    Now, males' results:
    Hair colour distribution:
    Blond – 6 (1,95%)
    Reddish blond – 1 (0,32%)
    Red – 0
    Reddish brown – 2 (0,65%)
    Light brown – 13 (4,22%)
    Medium brown – 55 (17,86%)
    Medium ash brown – 14 (4,54%)
    Dark brown – 109 (35,39%)
    Dark ash brown – 64 (20,78%)
    Black – 44 (14,29%)
    Blondism total: 2,27% (7 men)
    Total rufosity share: 0,97% (3 men)
    Brown hair total: 83,44% (257 individuals)
    Medium brown shades percentage (including the ashy tones): 22,4% (69 men)
    Dark brown shades (including ashy nuances): 56,17% (173 men)
    Dark hair total (dark brown shades + black): 70,46% (217 people)

    Eye colour distribution:
    Blue – 40 (12,99%)
    Blue-green – 7 (2,27%)
    Blue-grey – 6 (1,95%)
    Green-grey – 11 (3,57%)
    Grey – 8 (2,6%)
    Green – 42 (13,63%)
    Hazel – 66 (21,43%)
    Brown – 120 (38,96%)
    Black – 8 (2,6%)
    Light eyes total: 37,01% (114 individuals)
    Dark/dark-mixed eyes total: 62,99% (194 people)
    Blue and blue-mixed light eyes rate: 17,21% (53 men)
    Grey and grey-mixed light eyes value: 8,12% (25 men)

    Average results based on both sexes:
    Hair colour distribution:
    Blond/blonde – 50 (8,12%)
    Reddish blond/blonde – 6 (0,97%)
    Red – 1 (0,16%)
    Reddish brown – 3 (0,49%)
    Light brown – 28 (4,55%)
    Medium brown – 145 (23,54%)
    Medium ash brown – 27 (4,38%)
    Dark brown – 180 (29,22%)
    Dark ash brown – 98 (15,91%)
    Black – 78 (12,66%)
    Blondism total: 9,09% (56 people)
    Total rufosity share: 1,62% (10 people)
    Brown hair total: 78,09% (481 individuals)
    Medium brown shades percentage (including the ashy tones): 27,92% (172 people)
    Dark brown shades (including ashy nuances): 45,13% (278 individuals)
    Dark hair total (dark brown shades + black): 57,79% (356 people)

    Eye colour distribution:
    Blue – 69 (11,2%)
    Blue-green – 13 (2,11%)
    Blue-grey – 17 (2,76%)
    Green-grey – 49 (7,95%)
    Grey – 11 (1,79%)
    Green – 68 (11,04%)
    Hazel – 134 (21,75%)
    Brown – 240 (38,96%)
    Black – 13 (2,11%)
    Blue-brown – 2 (0,33%)
    Light eyes total: 36,85% (227 people)
    Dark/dark-mixed eyes total: 63,15% (389 people)
    Blue and blue-mixed light eyes rate: 16,07% (99 individuals)
    Grey and grey-mixed light eyes value: 12,5% (77 people)

    The phenotypical mix of Greeks is dominated by Mediterranean strains which can often be seen in mixed form with Dinarid, Alpinid or Armenoid traits. Among Mediterranean types Atlanto-Meds and East Meds seem most numerous, with typical Pontids and Gracile Meds being much rarer. The East Med continuum consists of both types passable better in Europe and Turkey and some other more Middle Eastern looks. Many Greeks are a Med-CM mix and as a whole the nation leans towards robustness and definitely not gracility. Often do men have large bizygomatic breadth, while gonial angles are usually well-expressed even among women. Both Berid/Paleo-Sardinian and Paleo Atlantid types can be found. Unmixed Cromagnids of Brunn, Phalian and Borreby type can be seen here and there. The most common Nordic admixed types are Atlantid and Norid. Pure Nordids and Tronders are also present. Almost not a single person in my survey was Baltid/Neo-Danubian influenced, as usual for Greece.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Blade View Post
    Light eyes total: 36,85% (227 people)

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    Where did you get these numbers? They seem wrong. Greeks in terms of pigmentation are pretty close to us.

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    How eyes can be black, is it very dark brown or what (I've never seen someone with black eyes)? Btw, have you done this for Serbia?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zeybek View Post
    Where did you get these numbers? They seem wrong. Greeks in terms of pigmentation are pretty close to us.
    Counted including dark green. Authors I've seeing getting between 25-30% for various Greek regions count up to green-grey (2 nuances less). From there the difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Terminator98 View Post
    How eyes can be black, is it very dark brown or what (I've never seen someone with black eyes)? Btw, have you done this for Serbia?
    Oh, come on, man. Not talking about diseases here.
    Scale I quoted has it as a legit colour. Tell me Nr. 16 isn't black to you and I'll be really surprised.
    Haven't covered Serbia yet, no.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Blade View Post
    Oh, come on, man. Not talking about diseases here.
    Scale I quoted has it as a legit colour. Tell me Nr. 16 isn't black to you and I'll be really surprised.
    Haven't covered Serbia yet, no.
    I didn't mention any disease (that was guy who quoted me), I just asked are they really black because I've never seen someone with such dark eyes, even the eyes of Mortimer are No.15.
    The only thing I'm guilty here is skipping the introduction part (I'm lazy as fuck, I know).
    Btw, waiting for thread about Serbia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terminator98 View Post
    I didn't mention any disease (that was guy who quoted me), I just asked are they really black because I've never seen someone with such dark eyes, even the eyes of Mortimer are No.15.
    The only thing I'm guilty here is skipping the introduction part (I'm lazy as fuck, I know).
    Btw, waiting for thread about Serbia.
    I know Noff mentioned diseases. I was referring to your general interaction.
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    We are probably the darkest ethnic group in Europe even if one discounts Pontians(who aren't darker) and Cypriots. Only the Maltese I don't have an opinion for and I am excluding Azerbaijan and Armenia from Europe.
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    Too much difference between males and females about blondism. This suggests women got dyed as fuck.

    Cool study, I want one for spaniards! But not sure if you would know if they are pure natives.

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    I think "blondism" is over 2% (if you include light brown hair): it is not that uncommon. It generally comes along with Aryan features, but sometimes it comes along with local CM ones too. 30% light eyes is absurd, though, unless it includes all those eyes that aren't pure brown/black.

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