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    Really? I dont think so

    Italian movies and series are so rare compared with American and other Western Euro nations.

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    Italy is(was) famous for her great directors. That made all the difference..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feiichy View Post
    Think about German Karl May and Winnetou, legendary western tale and man himself never visited America.
    Pierre Brice and Gojko Mitic were the most famous American Indians for children in the Soviet Union. No one suspected that they were French and Serb.

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    How about Italian-Americans? Scorcese and Tarantino are good examples.

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    While Leone was undoubtedly a great director, I find the spaghetti-western movies too stereotyped. I love the parodies with Bud Spencer and Terence Hill however.

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    I mean Sergio Leone is the really only super noted director. Sergio Leone just took tropes from Jap movies and turned them into Westerns. The Man With No Name Series is based off a Japanese movie called Yojimbo. American Westerns before this weren't based off the Ronin or Samurai themes so they were just different. Sergio Leone although deserving credit, like George Lucas is getting credit for just adapting other peoples ideas into his own films.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aspirin View Post
    Better? I don't think so. Spaghetti Westerns just have their own unique style, just few of them are really good.
    Most are awful and some are fucking insanely weird . I agree. I love Sergio Leone but he is the high water mark and like I said, his series the man with no name is just an English adaptation of this film:


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    Quote Originally Posted by PaleoEuropean View Post
    I mean Sergio Leone is the really only super noted director. Sergio Leone just took tropes from Jap movies and turned them into Westerns. The Man With No Name Series is based off a Japanese movie called Yojimbo. American Westerns before this weren't based off the Ronin or Samurai themes so they were just different. Sergio Leone although deserving credit, like George Lucas is getting credit for just adapting other peoples ideas into his own films.
    I thought only one of his Westerns was based on the Japanese movies. He was not the first to do that however, The Magnificent Seven from 1960 is basically a remake of The Seven Samurai in a Western setting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Pill View Post
    I thought only one of his Westerns was based on the Japanese movies. He was not the first to do that however, The Magnificent Seven from 1960 is basically a remake of The Seven Samurai in a Western setting.
    Well his first film is an adaptation of Yojimbo, but he ran with the style and the rest of the series is shot in the same manner; so their lineage imo should harken back to Yojimbo. I agree that his later films in the series were more original for sure; but stylistically they are from the same origin, thats the most important aspect of his films and Spaghetti westerns in general is the Japanese style of cinematography and the Ronin/Samurai tropes. You are right about the Magnificent Seven, I am not saying the style of adaptation and borrowing the Japanese styles of filming didn't exist before Leone but it just wasn't super common. The best western ever made wasn't a movie imo, it was the series Gun Smoke.

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    I think the US produced better westerns in general. It's just that they're all overshadowed by the cult status of the Dollars trilogy; but that's only from one director.

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