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Grace O'Malley
23&Me gives the Niall blurb for everyone that is M269. It is rubbish and completely misleading. M222 is the Niall ydna and 23&Me test for that so if you aren't M222 than you have no connection to Niall which is really Ui Neill. Not sure why they chose Niall of the Nine Hostages when they could have chosen any one that has R1b which is really not that informative and M269 is 10,000 years old. It is a bugbear of mine on 23&Me.
M222 is overrated. Z253 is probably the most geographically spread subclade of L21 you can find it even down in Switzerland. If there is a subclade of L21 that elicits memories of the Milesian legend, this is it :
In Irish origin myths, Míl Espáine or Míl Espáne (later Latinized as Milesius; also Miled/Miledh) is the mythical ancestor of the final inhabitants of Ireland, the "sons of Míl" or Milesians, who represent the vast majority of the Irish Gaels. His father was Bile, son of Breogan.
His name is an Irish version of Latin Miles Hispaniae, meaning "Soldier of Hispania", which is attested in a passage (§ 13) in the 9th-century semi-historical work Historia Brittonum ("The History of the Britons"). According to the Lebor Gabala Erenn or the Book of Invasions where this tale is recorded his real name is Galam which is equivalent to Columba and its derivatives such as Malcolm and Callum. The work offers an account of how Ireland was successively taken by settlers from Spain, among them Partholom, Nimeth and the "three sons of a Hispanic soldier" (tres filii militis Hispaniae).[1] As A.G. van Hamel has suggested, the status of Iberia as the land of origin can be traced back to Isidore of Seville, who in the introduction to his history of the Goths, Vandals and Suebi had elevated Spain to the "mother of all races".[2] A further explanation may lie in the mistake made by some classical geographers in locating Ireland closely opposite Iberia. For instance, the Lebar Gabála (§ 100) recounts that from Bregon's Tower, the Milesian Íth was able to see right across the sea to Ireland. In galician history, that tower is the Torre de Hercules, Hercule Tower, in A Coruña, Galicia. [3]
He served as a soldier in Scythia and Egypt, before remembering a prophecy that his descendants would rule Ireland. He set off to the west, getting as far as Iberia where he fought several battles before dying, never seeing Ireland himself.
His wife Scota and his uncle Íth, who had spied Ireland from a tower, sailed to Ireland where Íth was killed by the Tuatha Dé Danann. When his body was brought back to Iberia, Míl's eight sons and Íth's nine brothers invaded Ireland and defeated the Tuatha Dé Danann.
He figures prominently in the mythological genealogies of John O'Hart, being the common ancestor of all the Irish.
Milesius died in Spain before he could reach the Isle of Destiny. His wife Scota went to Ireland with their eight sons. On account of some terrible storms (attributed to the magic of the Tuatha Dé Danann who already lived in Ireland) most of Milesius' sons died when they tried to land.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%ADl_Esp%C3%A1ine
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