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    It's my understanding that Ireland is pretty much devoid of the E-V13 haplogroup so it is interesting that E-V13 is connected to the Irish surname McCarthy. FamilyTreeDNA did a little writeup on it. A former FamilyTreeDNA Co-Administrator Kevin D McCarty, also had the haplogroup. Curious to know what others think since I'm not a Y-DNA expert.

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    "HAPLOGROUP E1b1b1

    The E1b1b1 tree at www.mccarthydna.wordpress.com/ shows the haplogroups assigned by FTDNA to our E1b1b1 members

    SNP E-V13 is at least 7,000 years old, but we can see from STR testing that:
    · kits 24429 and 24694 clearly share recent common ancestry (in fact this may be apparent from conventional genealogy).

    · kits 199585 (McCartney) and 21873 (McCarty), with a 61/67 matching, potentially share ancestry well within the past millennium.

    There is then one ‘outlier’, 343457 McCarthy, awaiting the company of some future project member!

    The haplogroups of currently equivalent SNPs E-M35.1 and E-L117 (E1b1b1) and its parent E-M215 (E1b1b) are rare in Ireland, and an analysis in September 2013 of 3109 records in the Ireland Y-DNA Project where country of origin was given as Ireland indicated a 1% occurrence of E1b1b1 in Irish men. The count of four independent occurrences in the McCarthy Study amounts to 2%.

    A further closely-related subgroup of a McCarter and McCartys, all in the E1b1b1 subclade, and including our our former Co-Administrator Kevin D McCarty, has left the project. Painstaking research by Kevin has led to the conclusion that the surname derivation of this group is a spelling variant of McArthur, a clan occupying the north-west shores of Loch Lomond, Scotland, and its hinterland. Many McArthurs moved to Ulster during the plantation period; here their names were frequently recorded as McCarter, as pronounced by these Scots, and this was later adapted to McCarty by some on subsequent migration to the USA. To further complicate the situation in respect of this group, it is most closely aligned phylogenetically with a different clan which occupied nearby territories in Scotland, that of the Kilpatricks and Calhouns, who shared a similar pattern of migration first to Ulster and then on to the United States. This implies a surname change event before migration from Scotland. Since these E1b1b1 McCarters and McCartys have no true connection with the McCarthys of Munster, this group has now relocated to the Calhoun and Kilpatrick Projects. Potential members of this McCarthy Study whose ancestral path runs through SNP E-L117 or M35.1 should first review the likelihood that they have a similar surname mode of origin, and if so, join these alternative, more appropriate, projects instead.

    The overall E haplogroup originated in Africa, but E1b1b, principally in the form of its derivative E-V13, took hold in Europe around the Mediterranean (approximately 7000 years ago), where the largest percentage is still found in the Balkans, northern Greece and the boundaries of ancient Thrace (parts of modern Greece, Bulgaria and Turkey). It has been suggested that the spread of E1b1b through Europe to England was primarily via auxiliaries in the Roman army, and in particular Thracian troops, (ref http://www.jogg.info/32/bird.htm). Upon completion of service (25 years), Roman troops were allowed to become citizens and retire. Less than 20% of known troops (from Roman records) actually returned home, but tended to retire in the location of their last station. There are records of Thracian units in England, including tombstones inscriptions and other indications of troops who retired and stayed. Amazingly high percentages (e.g around 40%) of E-V13 have been found in the present day male populations of more than one Roman garrison town. Arrival in Ireland would then be by subsequent diffusion through trading, raiding or plantation across the Irish Sea in the past 1500 years, but the percentage in Ireland might be expected to be considerably lower, and in Munster, where it is assumed the E1b1b1 McCarthys acquired their surname by clan affiliation or NPEs, lower still. However, internet sources suggest the percentage of E1b1b1 in England is between 1 and 5%, and not noticeably higher than in Scotland or Ireland where studies have considered all three countries."

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    That's really fascinating especially in a population that is overwhelmingly R1b-L21. I'm really interested in the ydna breakdown in Ireland because we are such a dominant R1b population. I've never even heard much mention of any E in Ireland.

    I wonder what Paul McCartney's ydna is?

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