Iranic E1b1b

[Halgurd]

BMAC E1b1b1 (4011-3886 ybp)
Scythian E-CTS1273 (E-V13) (4885-4632 ybp; unreliable)
Saka (Scythian) E-Y31991 (2555 ybp)
Eastern Scythian E-M84 (2400 ybp)

The BMAC one is very interesting. They are supposedly the forefathers of all Iranic populations (alongside Andronovo), and it shows that E1b1b was long established in Iranic people. It should be noted that E1b1b has always been a minority in Iranic people, but it’s clear that it’s not a foreign element.

https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/vi...2265183618&z=4

E-V13 levels in Iran:
Yazd Zoroastrians 5.9%
Persians and Kurds 5%
Azeris 1.6%
Armenians 0.5-1%

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3399854/

Haplogroup E in Iran is mainly represented by the E1-M123 (3.7%) and E1b-M78 (3.0%) branches. The first is almost entirely characterized by its sub-lineage M34 and reaches its highest incidence (13.6%) in Kurdistan. The second is present as E1b-M78* in Lorestan (9.8%) and E1b-V13 (5.9%) and E1b-V22 (2.9%) in the Zoroastrians of Yazd. It is worth noting the presence of individuals carrying African-specific haplogroups (three belonging to E2-M75 and 17 to E1b-M2) in South-East Iran (Hormozgan and Sistan Baluchestan), whereas the North-East African E1b-M81 is not observed.

[Dr_Maul]

I think it will be a mystery for a while

[Daos777]

Nice thread, following.


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[Hapanuwa]

How did e1b1b reach Persians and Kurds all the way from the Balkans?

[Halgurd]

How did e1b1b reach Persians and Kurds all the way from the Balkans?

Only E-V13 is shared between Balkans and Iranics. A Kurd who did his big Y tested for E-CTS1273*, negative for all subclades. It means that Iranic E-V13 is probably unrelated to the Balkans.

https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-CTS1273/

[Halgurd]

I think it will be a mystery for a while

Yep more testing needs to be done to get a clearer picture.

[Hapanuwa]

Only E-V13 is shared between Balkans and Iranics. A Kurd who did his big Y tested for E-CTS1273*, negative for all subclades. It means that Iranic E-V13 is probably unrelated to the Balkans.

https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-CTS1273/

Very interesting. I'm also E-V13 and I wonder whether that came from the Balkans or from the Middle East (or Iranics).

[Halgurd]

Very interesting. I'm also E-V13 and I wonder whether that came from the Balkans or from the Middle East (or Iranics).

The only other people in the Middle East with high levels of E-V13 are the Druze, and many of them have Kurdish origins. They have a few powerful families that are of Kurdish origin (such as Janpolad/Jumblatt).

Turkish Cypriots apparently have high E-V13 as well but the only way to know where yours come from would be further testing I guess.

[Nassbean]

maybe through levantine contacts ?

I know that E1b1b haplotypes were also common in Natufians (11,000 BCE) and pre-pottery Neolithic male individuals from the Levant (7,000 BCE)

[Kamal900]

maybe through levantine contacts ?

I know that E1b1b haplotypes were also common in Natufians (11,000 BCE) and pre-pottery Neolithic male individuals from the Levant (7,000 BCE)

Very likely since there had been some Levantine migrations to places like Iran during this time period and so on.