The Armenians - People of Armenia, Caucasus

[Armin]

That ridiculous Adams study again... LMAO! That's been debunked time and time again. In act, the figures have never been duplicated - not even close. Using their highly flawed methodology Austrians and Swiss would have 25% Sephardic markers. My heavens, you need serious schooling. Do some research and you'll quickly see why that "study" has been dubbed dust-bin material.

Yeah, exactly, and it is nothing different than what you have been trying to do in this very thread with your pseudo-science. I do not need any schooling on your part, thank you, as I have not seen any serious argumentation which is grounded in scientific facts. I have listed all my sources (from universities and academic foundations). You can go back and again read up on them, if you missed them.

Vince Vizachero prepared the following MAP of the distribution of R1b1a2* (yellow - L265+), R1b1a2a* (green - L23+), R1b1a2a1a* (orange - L51+), and R1b1a2a1a1* (red - L11+). The vast majority of R1b1a2 members of the Armenian DNA Project belong to the green R1b1a2a* L23+ branch. A few are part of the yellow R1b1a2* L265+ branch. None are orange R1b1a2a11* L51+ only. One is red R1b1a2a1a1* L11+. More importantly, no Armenians are found in the big European branches downstream of red L11+, namely U106 & P312.

A recent study published in january 2010 seems to corroborate all of the above. According to its authors (Balaresque et al): "Haplogroup R1b1a2 is the commonest European Y-chromosomal lineage, increasing in frequency from east to west, and carried by 110 million European men. Previous studies suggested a Paleolithic origin, but here we show that the geographical distribution of its microsatellite diversity is best explained by spread from a single source in the Near East via Anatolia during the Neolithic... R1b1a2 was carried as a rapidly expanding lineage from the Near East via Anatolia to the western fringe of Europe during the Neolithic. Our interpretation of the history of hg R1b1a2 now makes Europe a prime example of how expansion of a Y-chromosomal lineage tends to accompany technological and cultural change."

Another study published in august 2010 (Myres et al.) strengthens this view: "The phylogenetic relationships of numerous branches within the core Y-chromosome haplogroup R-M207 support a West Asian origin of haplogroup R1b, its initial differentiation there followed by a rapid spread of one of its sub-clades carrying the M269 mutation to Europe.http://www.familytreedna.com/public/...x?section=news

[Anthropologique]

Yeah, exactly, and it is nothing different than what you have been trying to do in this very thread with your pseudo-science. I do not need any schooling on your part, thank you, as I have not seen any serious argumentation which is grounded in scientific facts. I have listed all my sources (from universities and academic foundations). You can go back and again read up on them, if you missed them.

The material I and other people have posted here is hardly "psuedo-science". It's cutting-edge genetic research that's been confirmed on many levels. Don't take my word for it, contact Eurogenes, Dodecad, the Dr. McDonald Project (University of Illinois), Baher, the Nature Journal and others.

[Ar-Man]

The material I and other people have posted here is hardly "psuedo-science". It's cutting-edge genetic research that's been confirmed on many levels. Don't take my word for it, contact Eurogenes, Dodecad, the Dr. McDonald Project (University of Illinois), Baher, the Nature Journal and others.

The material is not, but your wordplay & speculations( by mixing geographical and genetic terms) are !
I told you already about name attribution to the frequencies and their closness to other ones! So please stop your bullshit!

[Anthropologique]

The material is not, but your wordplay & speculations are ! I told you already about name atribution to frequencies and their closness to other ones!

Look, it's very simple, genetic clustering plots and genetic distance calculations VERY accurately show the full ancestry of population groups. If you can't accept that fact then I suggest you contact some top human population geneticists and get their take.

Time to close this thread.

[Armin]

The material I and other people have posted here is hardly "psuedo-science". It's cutting-edge genetic research that's been confirmed on many levels. Don't take my word for it, contact Eurogenes, Dodecad, the Dr. McDonald Project (University of Illinois), Baher, the Nature Journal and others.

I have also quoted from Dr. McDonald and other geneticists, what is important to point out is that you make your own assertions and speak of Armenian "West Asian DNA," when research indicates that same Indo-European "West Asian" core DNA is the most common haplogroup throughout all of Europe, shared by some 110 million Europeans.

[Anthropologique]

By the way, how the h**l did Iberians get dragged into this conversation. Who's next, Germans and Austrians!?

[Ar-Man]

Look, it's very simple, genetic clustering plots and genetic distance calculations VERY accurately show the full ancestry of population groups. If you can't accept that fact then I suggest you contact some top human population geneticists and get their take.

Time to close this thread.

Yeah this is what you want, because your hollow arguments have been shown for what they are.

You forgot about my last post ?

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...postcount=1601

[WilliamWallace]

I have also quoted from Dr. McDonald and other geneticists, what is important to point out is that you make your own assertions and speak of Armenian "West Asian DNA," when research indicates that same Indo-European "West Asian" core DNA is the most common haplogroup throughout all of Europe, shared by some 110 million Europeans.

REAL ARMENIANS

[Anthropologique]

I have also quoted from Dr. McDonald and other geneticists, what is important to point out is that you make your own assertions and speak of Armenian "West Asian DNA," when research indicates that same Indo-European "West Asian" core DNA is the most common haplogroup throughout all of Europe, shared by some 110 million Europeans.

West Asian components occur in all European populations, usually in single digits (particularly the case in Western Europe). Towards the east, the frequencies are higher. So what? West Asian doesn't mean European. European refers to majority carriers of European alleles that fall into the following categories: West European, North European, South European, North Atlantic. Within this categories you have sub-cateories such as Balto-Finnic, Slavic, etc.

Close this thread please.

[Anthropologique]

Yeah this is what you want, because your hollow arguments have been shown for what they are.

You forgot about my last post ?

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...postcount=1601

Excuse me Ar-Man, where do Armenians cluster genetically?. Come on, tell us which populations they are closest too genetically and most resemble physically? Hey, none of them are European.