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    How much of Europe would you guys say these Armenians could fit in, i.e. how far west, north, south etc?

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    As common "range" types, places like Malta, Cyprus and possibly some regions of Greece and pockets of the Balkans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Austrvegr View Post
    Calling Chechens East European and putting them together with Russians and Belorussians is like calling Moroccans West European and putting them together with the English, which IS dumb.
    He never said that all Chechens look like East Europeans. He was simply pointing out that some Chechens who have red hair an blue eyes have a tendency to resemble east Europeans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hess View Post
    He never said that all Chechens look like East Europeans. He was simply pointing out that some Chechens who have red hair an blue eyes have a tendency to resemble east Europeans.
    No need to twist the meaning of his words. He said,

    Although Western Asian looking I can also see them as Southeastern (Macedonian, Bulgarian or perhaps Albanian) and partly as Eastern European (South Russian, Chechen or maybe Belarusian).
    I.d. mentioned Chechens between Russians and Belorusians as characteristic Eastern Europeans, which is dumb.

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    A large portion can easily pass as "exotic Europeans", but only a minority as "regular Euorpeans". Of the latter, some could easily pass in parts of Central or Western Europe as well - Eastern Europe too, South Eastern Europe anyway.

    But as I said, that is a minority, the largest part has problems passing as "exotic" or "irregular" Europeans actually.

    Is there such a thread about Georgians already? Would be very interesting as well.

    Racially, Armenoid is clearly dominant, then comes (Asian) Alpinoid, after that the main European-like component, which is Eastmediterranid, then Iranid.

    I guess some Dinariomorphic individuals are Caucasid, some others the result of an progressive Armenoid + Mediterranid/Iranid mixture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hess View Post
    He never said that all Chechens look like East Europeans. He was simply pointing out that some Chechens who have red hair an blue eyes have a tendency to resemble east Europeans.
    I didn't notice any blue-eyed redheads in that lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agrippa
    A large portion can easily pass as "exotic Europeans"
    "exotic" Europeans? I don't agree. If you can pass as a European, then you can look European, even if it's only one country. I don't really buy the terms "exotic" or "regular". And I'm not sure if these words even exist or are valid in anthropology.
    But as I said, that is a minority, the largest part has problems passing as "exotic" or "irregular" Europeans actually.
    I'd argue that chock-fulls could easily blend in Southeastern Europe.
    Is there such a thread about Georgians already? Would be very interesting as well.
    I'll create a new thread in a short while on Georgian soccer players. Would be interesting to hear your opinions on them
    Racially, Armenoid is clearly dominant, then comes (Asian) Alpinoid, after that the main European-like component, which is Eastmediterranid, then Iranid.
    That's a common misconception on Armenians. "Armenoid" is clearly a contributing factor but not as homogeneous as some state. Did you see the soccer players I attached? Most are dolicho-mesocephals with strong Iranid and Eastmediterranid influences present.

    Regards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by memobekes View Post
    "exotic" Europeans? I don't agree. If you can pass as a European, then you can look European, even if it's only one country. I don't really buy the terms "exotic" or "regular". And I'm not sure if these words even exist or are valid in anthropology.
    Fact is, that basic types of Europe are Nordid, Cromagnid/Dalofaelid, Mediterranid, Dinarid, Alpinoid, Osteuropid.

    That's what dominates ALL EUROPEAN POPULATIONS!

    Everything else is exotic by default.

    And Armenoid, which is the main element here, is exotic in a more characteristic form even for Greece or parts of Southern Russia, but it is something present there.

    Now if this variants at the fringes of Europe being a fringe element in this fringe areas, it is something exotic and not something regular. For the people in question, but even more so for the rest of Europe.

    I'll create a new thread in a short while on Georgian soccer players. Would be interesting to hear your opinions on them
    Soccer players are not always that representative, often you get just suboptimal pictures of them either. So I would prefer the regular people - like in this thread, which is a great sample.

    That's a common misconception on Armenians. "Armenoid" is clearly a contributing factor but not as homogeneous as some state. Did you see the soccer players I attached? Most are dolicho-mesocephals with strong Iranid and Eastmediterranid influences present.
    Actually the soccer players are facially more Armenoid than many of the pictured individuals.

    The physically superiour sportspeople are often somewhat longer headed and more mesomorphic-masculine, which is why I said they might not be so representative for the whole population.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agrippa
    Actually the soccer players are facially more Armenoid than many of the pictured individuals.
    Could you please pick out a few who you think looks Armenoid, facially?
    Regards.

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