The Armenians - People of Armenia, Caucasus

[Austrvegr]

Surely I personally know excellent examples. I just cannot understand what you are talking about finally? Armenians are the best in the world? Armenians are supereuropean? Armenians are Nordids?

Crap TV show for lowlifes is no proof of success. If Armenians are so successful, why is Armenia a shithole and more Armenians live in Russia than in Armenia? (They would probably all move here if they could.)

[beaver]

Crap TV show for lowlifes is no proof of success

I fuck these TV clowns, and surely talented Armenians (I mean engineers and scientists e.g.) cannot realize themselves in Armenia (and now in Russia, one way - to Boston).

[Eva]

Armenians were considered in the Third Reich what they are, Near Easterners, and Near Eastern was a subhuman race by Nazi standards, which however did not preclude their use as cannon fodder among other non-Europeans like Azeris, Tatars, Uzbeks, Arabs, Kalmyks, etc.

If you put your emotions aside, you might see the real facts, Armenians were considered Aryans by Hitler and by all the scientists who proved it long time ago. It's just your Soviet Union psychology, can't come out of it in no way. It was that stupid Soviet Union and their ideology that all the nations were to be put in the same line, except Russians, of course.

The archaeologist who excavated Urartu, later on confessed that he had got a special order from the government not to emphasize that it was the heritage of Armenians, or else they would stand out among all of the nations of USSR, including Russians. Even the three letters found were RRT, which was to be deciphered as Ararat, but it would sound identical with Armenians, and was accepted as Urartu.

Just try to come out of the Soviet Union times and framework, you are living in another century.

[Sagitta Hungarica]

For some people who seem to have problems with their eyesight or understanding.

Odd Genoms Contrasting Usual Prejudices

Armenians: Their usual genom is mostly divergent from other Asians, and more comparable with some southern Europeans, chiefly with southern Italians, Andalusians, and Rumanians. Armenians are by their genom closer to other Europeans than Greeks, Estonians, and Lithuanians.



Also, it puts Armenians in types where European type is prevailing.

Euro-types Prevailing

* Icelander: Eu 100% (R1b 46%, R1a 22%, I1 32%), Neu 0%
* Swedes: Eu 99% (R1b 23%, R1a 18%, I1 48%), Neu 1%
* England: Eu 98% (R1b 56%, R1a 9%, I1 30%), Neu 2%
* Polish: Eu 96% (R1b 16%, R1a 56%, I1 24%), Neu 4%
* Germans: Eu 95%, (R1b 50%, R1a 6%, I1 38%), Neu 5%
* Basques: Eu 95% (R1b 92%, R1a 6%, I1 - 0%), Neu 5%
* Norwegians: Eu 93% (R1b 29%, R1a 31%, I1 33%), Neu 7%
* Herzegovina (Croats): Eu 91% (R1b 4%, R1a 13%, I1 73%), Neu 9%
* Scottish: Eu 90% (R1b 79%, R1a 7%, I1 12%), Neu 10%
* Danes: Eu 86% (R1b 57%, R1a 6%, I1 23%), Neu 14%
* Croatians: Eu 85% (R1b 10%, R1a 29%, I1 46%), Neu 15%
* Slovenians: Eu 85% (Rib27%, R1a 31%, I1 27%), Neu 15%
* Belgians: Eu 85% (R1b 63%, R1a 4%, I1 23%), Neu 15%
* Dutchmen: Eu 85% (R1b 74%, R1a 7%, I1 4%), Neu 15%
* Hungarians: Eu 84% (R1b 13%, R1a 60%, I1 11%), Neu 16%
* Belarusses: Eu 84% (Rb1 10%, Ra1 39%, I1 34%), Neu 16%
* Catalans: Eu 84% (Rb1 79%, Ra1 5%, I1 0%), Neu 16%
* Slovakians: Eu 81% (Rb1 17%, Ra1 47%, I1 17%), Neu 19%
* Corsicans: Eu 79% (Rb1 43%, Ra1 4%, I1 32%), Neu 21%
* Portugeses: Eu 78% (Rb1 62%, Ra1 0%, I1 16%), Neu 22%
* Bohemians: Eu 76% (Rb1 19%, Ra1 38%, I1 19%), Neu 24%
* Serbia-Montenegro: Eu 76% (R1b 11%, R1a 16%, I1 49%), Neu 24%
* ! Tadjiks (Mid-Asia): Eu 74% (Rb1 4%, Ra1 68%, I1 2%), Neu 26%
* Ossetians (Caucasus): Eu 75% (Rb1 3%, Ra1 40%, I1 32%), Neu 25%
* Ukrainians: Eu 74% (Rb1 2%, Ra1 54%, I1 18%), Neu 26%
* Italians (mainland): Eu 74% (R1b 62%, R1a 4%, I1 8%), Neu 26%
* Irishmen: Eu 73% (R1b 81%, R1a 15%, I1 1%), Neu 27%
* Russians (in Europe): Eu 71% (R1b 7%, R1a 47%, I1 17%), Neu 29%
* Bulgarians: Eu 71% (R1b 17%, R1a 12%, I1 42%), Neu 29%
* ! Zazas (Dimili): Eu 70% (R1b 11%, R1a 26%, I1 33%), Neu 30%
* Frenchmen: Eu 69% (R1b 52%, R1a 0%, I1 17%), Neu 31%
* Andalusians: Eu 69% (R1b 66%, R1a 0%, I1 3%), Neu 31%
* Latvians: Eu 68% (R1b 15%, R1a 41%, I1 12%), Neu 32%
* Bosnian (Muslims): Eu 68% (R1b 1%, R1a 25%, I1 52%), Neu 32%
* Kirghyz (Mid-Asia): Eu 67% (Rb1 0%, Ra1 65%, I1 3%), Neu 33%
* Rumanians: Eu 65% (R1b 18%, R1a 20%, I1 27%), Neu 35%
* Makedonians (FYROM): Eu 65% ((R1b 10%, R1a 35%, I1 20%), Neu 35%
* Teheran (Iran): Eu 62% (R1b 8%, R1a 20%, I1 33%), Neu 38%
* ! Armenians: Eu 62% (R1b25%, R1a 6%, I1 31%), Neu 38%
* Dargini (Caucasus): Eu 62% (R1b 4%, R1a 0%, I1 58%), Neu 38%
* Greeks: Eu 59% (Rb1 17%, Ra1 28%, I1 14%), Neu 41%
* Estonians: Eu 59% (R1b 2%, R1a 37%, I1 20%), Neu 41%
* Laponians (Saami): Eu 58% (R1b 8%, R1a 8%, I1 42%), Neu 42%
* ! Kurds (in Turkey): Eu 57% (R1b 29%, R1a 12%, I1 16%), Neu 43%
* Lithuanians: Eu 54% (Rb1 5%, Ra1 34%, I1 13%), Neu 46%

Half-European: above 1/2 out-European types

* Sogdis (Yaghnobi): Eu 47% (Rb1 47%, Ra1 15%, I1 0%), Neu 53%
* Turks: Eu 47% (R1b 31%, R1a 13%, I1 3%), Neu 53%
* ! South Italians: Eu 41% (R1b 29%, R1a 4.5%, I1 2.5%, I2 5%), Neu 59%
* ! Sicilians: Eu 39.5% (R1b 30%, R1a 4.5%, I1 3%, I2 2%), Neu 60.5%
* ! Albanians: Eu 36% (R1b 10%, R1a 17%, I1 19%), Neu 64%
* Finns (Suomi): Eu 35% (R1b 2%, R1a 10%, I1 23%), Neu 65%
* ! Kosovars (Balkan): Eu 28% (R1b 21%, R1a 4%, I1 3%), Neu 72%
* ... etc. (other out-European peoples)

Genetics are not the only determinant on who is or isn't White. Anthropology is as important, because the first thing a person can be differentiated if he or she is White is by his or her looks. And Armenians are mostly of Armenoid type. This isn't a White sub-race. There are White Armenians, but probably they are assimilated Slavs, Georgians, Ossetians.

[Sagitta Hungarica]

yes, in the black and white pictures the eye colour was especially visible.
Armenian users just know and seen Armenians all their lives and know their looks much better.
In your jugdements you are being scientifically incorrect!

Leading racialist anthropologists like * Carleton S. Coon (The Races of Europe) and * Madison Grant (The passing of the great race) clearly established the ‘Armenoid’ is a White sub-group within Dinarid and Alpinid (in turn racial sub-groups of the White race) respectively. Most Armenians and Caucasians are not even ‘Armenoid’ to begin with but are Alpines and Dinarics, so even the name is a misnomer.

Ewald Banse, Nordic Race in Armenia and Northern Iran

I doubt that Coon is the absolute authority in matters of anthropology. This field progressed very much from his time. Armenoid is very different from the Alpinid sub-group, it is impossible to be within the Alpinid sub-group. Armenians clearly have their own unique look, that makes foreigners say "that's an Armenian". These are the Armenoid features, and no way I would say it is a sub-group of Dinarid and Alpinid, which are clearly White sub-groups. Armenoid more likely can pass as a sub-group of one of the Middle Eastern racial sub-types, but which also was influenced by Mediterranean and Pontid sub-types.

[Austrvegr]

If you put your emotions aside, you might see the real facts, Armenians were considered Aryans by Hitler

No, they were not, until you give me his own words.

[Eva]

No, they were not, until you give me his own words.

This is what the Armenian passports looked like in Europe in the times of Hitler.

And this is the whole story

Aryan Roots Save Armenians from Nazi Extermination

When the Nazis came to power in 1933, under the leadership of Adolf Hitler, various cultural minorities were targeted for persecution and harassment. One of these minorities was the Armenian minority of Europe.

The Turkish government of that time took an opportunity to launch a major propaganda campaign against the Armenians living in Germany and the rest of Europe, where they claimed that Armenians were Semite and no different from gypsies. They encouraged the persecution of Armenians by planting falsified information on Armenian history, culture and its origins.

The times were severe for the Armenians of Europe, and particularly of Germany, where a second Genocide seemed to be on the horizon. To counter the anti-Armenian propaganda in Germany, the Armenian community in Potsdam, Germany published an academic book on Armenian studies called Armeniertum-Arivertum, meaning Armenism-Aryanism. Three thousand copies were printed under the leadership of Artashes Abeghyan in cooperation with German Armenologists Yohannes Lepsus and Paul Rohrbakh.

Many German Orientologists like Hans Haynrikh Sheder, Yohannes Fon Lears, Karl Rot, Rev. Gerhard Klinge, and Evar Shteer, took part in this project by submitting their academic findings about the Indo-European origins of Armenians and their Aryan linguistic identity in this book.

The book was republished in 1942-1943 in Shtugart, when the Turkish propaganda reemerged in the German press. Around the same time, Armenologist Hyek Asatrian, in cooperation with Armenian military General Garegin Njdeh, published another book called Armenia-the Cradle of Aryans in Asia.

After those publications, the German Interior Ministry issued a document recognizing Armenians as an Aryan nation. Thanks to the German academics and active participation of Armenian community of Germany, the threat of yet another Armenian genocide, this time in Europe, was eliminated.

[Hess]

Exactly, Hess, but they Are European! And who has decided that the west asian admix is not "white"? West Asia is part in Armenian Highland, and yes, we were all there at one time long ago.

like I said, I don't care about their genetics or their looks- I care about their foreign, semitic mindset and culture.

[Eva]

like I said, I don't care about their genetics or their looks- I care about their foreign, semitic mindset and culture.

Ok I promise to enlighten you about the true Armenian culture and mindset.

[Eva]

The world's earliest attestations of symbols typical of Indo-European cultures (including the Swastika) are found on neolithic petroglyphs all over Armenian Highlands.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRKdSruWAKg