Sredny Stog culture was not Indo-European

[Daos777]

What is a lie?

Srendy Stog was similar to the pre-Indo-European/pre-kurgan Yamnaya. Before Yamnaya was Indo-Europeanized it was actually pretty related to Srendy Stog. There was a mutual geneflow between Srendy Stog and non-IEan pre-Kurgan Yamnaya Horizon. Like I said earlier, see post #14. Later after Yamnaya Horizon was IEanized and got kurgans from copper age CHG people, it got much more CHG/Iran_Chl like DNA than Srendy Stog.

Yes, West Asiatic CHG, but not CHG of 10000 years ago, but CHG of 6000 years ago. Similar to Iran-ChL.


Srendy Stog had a lot more EEF/ANF, around 20%, maybe much more, I have to see other results. While Late Indo-Europeanized 'Kurgan'-culture Yamnaya had much more copper age CHG/Iran-Chl.

What is your theory exactly? Who indo-Europeanized Yamnaya? Indo-European language coming from their CHG heritage rather than their EHG side doesn’t make sense because their Y-DNA remained EHG and they were very patriarchal so them adopting CHG or any other language is almost 0 percent because their elite would have to have Y-DNA of the people who indo-Europenized them. Sredny Stog having an admixture of 20 percent EEF is the first sign of contact between WSH and Globular Amphora.

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What is your theory exactly? Who indo-Europeanized Yamnaya? Indo-European language coming from their CHG heritage rather than their EHG side doesn’t make sense because their Y-DNA remained EHG and they were very patriarchal so them adopting CHG or any other language is almost 0 percent because their elite would have to have Y-DNA of the people who indo-Europenized them. Sredny Stog having an admixture of 20 percent EEF is the first sign of contact between WSH and Globular Amphora.

My thinking is between Reich, Haak, Max Planck Institute and the ArmenianPlateau Model of Ivanov. So, 2-step model = 'early' and 'late' PIEan.

Yamnaya was 'late' PIEan

'Early' proto-Indo-European can't be from EHG, because there was no EHG in the Hittites people. And proto-Anatolian (where Hittite is from) language is older than Yamnaya and is from West Asia.


https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...light=hittites
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...millennium-BCE

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Also, before Yamnaya was Indo-Europeanized, early proto-Indo-European culture to the south was much more technically advanced, their metallurgy was ahead of time compared to the much more primitive Uralic EHG speakers.

[Daos777]

My thinking is between Reich, Haak, Max Planck Institute and the ArmenianPlateau Model of Ivanov. So, 2-step model = 'early' and 'late' PIEan.

Yamnaya was 'late' PIEan

'Early' proto-Indo-European can't be from EHG, because there was no EHG in the Hittites people. And proto-Anatolian (where Hittite is from) language is older than Yamnaya and is from West Asia.


https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...light=hittites
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...millennium-BCE

It’s not older than Yamnaya. Yamnaya predates Proto-Anatolian by 600 years.

But in any case what does this have to do with sredny stog? Who were just Yamnaya like people that began mixing with globular amphora.


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But in any case what does this have to do with sredny stog? Who were just Yamnaya like people that began mixing with globular amphora.

No, there is evidence that it is actually older. I already wrote that here: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...light=hittites


The split was in the mid- to late 4th millennium, more contemporary to Maykop. Maykop is older than Yamnaya

Maykop = c. 3700 BCE
Yamnaya = c. 3300 BCE

"Without any trace of Anatolian languages outside Anatolia, however, the default hypothesis remains that Proto-Anatolian split up into different dialects in Anatolia itself, probably sometime in the mid- to late 4th millennium BCE."

"This important result offers new support for the Indo-Hittite Hypothesis (see above) and strengthens the case for an Indo-Hittite-speaking ancestral population from which both Proto-Anatolian and residual Proto-Indo-European split off no later than the 4th millennium BCE."

Kroonen, Guus; Barjamovic, Gojko; Peyrot, Michael (2018), Linguistic supplement to Damgaard et al. 2018: Early Indo-European languages, Anatolian, Tocharian and Indo-Iranian

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But in any case what does this have to do with sredny stog? Who were just Yamnaya like people that began mixing with globular amphora.

Some people without much knowledge started to claim that Sredny Stog must be 'early' PIEan culture, because 'late' PIEan Yamnaya had too much CHG, lol. And because of the Hittite-dilemma.

Like I said, it is not possble, since it was much more a Neolithic farmer culture. And not an Indo-European Kurgan Steppe warrior culture. Early Sredny Stog before Yamnaya had no Indo-European 'kurgans' or advanced metallurgy at all.

[Daos777]

Like I said, it is not possble, since it was much more a Neolithic farmer culture. And not an Indo-European Kurgan Steppe warrior culture. Early Sredny Stog before Yamnaya had no Indo-European 'kurgans' or advanced metallurgy at all.

It was not a Neolithic farmer culture it was a typical pre-Kurgan WSH culture. Their genetics, their phenotype, everything resembled their steppe neighbors. The only difference is they had some Neolithic farmer admixture. Very minor.