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    Someone in Russia needs anti-communist symbols badly. Anything will do for them.

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    Too bad last Russian Tsar wasn't smart enough... Joining wars was a big mistake. And hanging out with Rasputin was another one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumata View Post
    Someone in Russia needs anti-communist symbols badly. Anything will do for them.
    for someone in Russia this is the history of their country and people which was brazenly distorted and rewritten.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alla Zima View Post
    for someone in Russia this is the history of their country and people which was brazenly distorted and rewritten.
    I think а sincere monarchist is a rare person in Russia. They have left a long time ago. And the time demands different government too. This agenda is mostly pushed to turn the people from socialist ideas and to go on abusing power freely.

    More of Romanovs in Krasnodar:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumata View Post
    I think а sincere monarchist is a rare person in Russia. They have left a long time ago. And the time demands different government too. This agenda is mostly pushed to turn the people from socialist ideas and to go on abusing power freely.
    Without the period of the USSR (mainly 1929-1953), Russia would not have been vaccinated against globalism. Most likely, a resource colony of the West with 15 million uneducated people is what “tsarist” Russia would represent today. I doubt that the royal family, being "western" in origin, was preoccupied with such things as sovereignty. At least since they became Holstein, and not just Romanovs.
    All hope for cryptostalinists in our government (they are), only thanks to them Russia can survive, remain itself and begin to flourish in the current conditions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KirillMazur View Post
    Without the period of the USSR (mainly 1929-1953), Russia would not have been vaccinated against globalism. Most likely, a resource colony of the West with 15 million uneducated people is what “tsarist” Russia would represent today. I doubt that the royal family, being "western" in origin, was preoccupied with such things as sovereignty. At least since they became Holstein, and not just Romanovs.
    All hope for cryptostalinists in our government (they are), only thanks to them Russia can survive, remain itself and begin to flourish in the current conditions.
    And it's unsurprising that modern pushers of the Romanovs' image keep their capitals in foreign banks and have their children live in foreign countries. Let alone all the sold to the foreign capital factories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alla Zima View Post
    for someone in Russia this is the history of their country and people which was brazenly distorted and rewritten.
    It's not exactly history, it's a story. Sad, full of drama, perfect to switch to emotions and distort all logic.

    But logic is still there. So far no criminal investigation was even able to confirm the fact Romanov's were executed. There are only testimonies of unreliable witnesses and no evidence at all. There are also testimonies that royal family was split and kept apart for safety. In this version young prince even managed to grow high in Communist party ranks while girls were happily married and had families of their own.

    Until conclusive evidence is provided all such stories are equally unreliable. It's coming down to personal beliefs and preferences at the end. Makes perfect subjects for exploitation and extortion.

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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...d-army-guards/

    The image of Russia’s “greatness” has been largely sanitized from its legacy of violence. It is perhaps no wonder that the 100th anniversary of the Romanovs’ deaths passed with little notice in Russia. No prominent state museums or venues hosted events to mark the anniversary. The few events organized were tellingly modest.

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    Nicholas, facing his family, turned and said "What? What?" Yurovsky quickly repeated the order and the weapons were raised. The Empress and Grand Duchess Olga, according to a guard's reminiscence, had tried to bless themselves, but failed amid the shooting. Yurovsky reportedly raised his Colt gun at Nicholas's torso and fired; Nicholas fell dead, pierced with at least three bullets in his upper chest. The intoxicated Peter Ermakov, the military commissar for Verkh-Isetsk, shot and killed Alexandra with a bullet wound to the head. He then shot at Maria, who ran for the double doors, hitting her in the thigh. The remaining executioners shot chaotically and over each other's shoulders until the room was so filled with smoke and dust that no one could see anything at all in the darkness nor hear any commands amid the noise.

    Alexey Kabanov, who ran onto the street to check the noise levels, heard dogs barking from the Romanovs' quarters and the sound of gunshots loud and clear despite the noise from the Fiat's engine. Kabanov then hurried downstairs and told the men to stop firing and kill the family and their dogs with their gun butts and bayonets. Within minutes, Yurovsky was forced to stop the shooting because of the caustic smoke of burned gunpowder, dust from the plaster ceiling caused by the reverberation of bullets, and the deafening gunshots. When they stopped, the doors were then opened to scatter the smoke. While waiting for the smoke to abate, the killers could hear moans and whimpers inside the room. As it cleared, it became evident that although several of the family's retainers had been killed, all of the Imperial children were alive and only Maria was injured.

    The basement where the Romanov family was killed. The wall had been torn apart in search of bullets and other evidence by investigators in 1919. The double doors leading to a storeroom were locked during the execution.

    The noise of the guns had been heard by households all around, awakening many people. The executioners were ordered to use their bayonets, a technique which proved ineffective and meant that the children had to be dispatched by still more gunshots, this time aimed more precisely at their heads. The Tsarevich was the first of the children to be executed. Yurovsky watched in disbelief as Nikulin spent an entire magazine from his Browning gun on Alexei, who was still seated transfixed in his chair; he also had jewels sewn into his undergarment and forage cap. Ermakov shot and stabbed him, and when that failed, Yurovsky shoved him aside and killed the boy with a gunshot to the head. The last to die were Tatiana, Anastasia, and Maria, who were carrying a few pounds (over 1.3 kilograms) of diamonds sewn into their clothing, which had given them a degree of protection from the firing. However, they were speared with bayonets as well. Olga sustained a gunshot wound to the head. Maria and Anastasia were said to have crouched up against a wall covering their heads in terror until they were shot. Yurovsky killed Tatiana and Alexei. Tatiana died from a single shot to the back of her head. Alexei received two bullets to the head, right behind the ear. Anna Demidova, Alexandra's maid, survived the initial onslaught but was quickly stabbed to death against the back wall while trying to defend herself with a small pillow which she had carried that was filled with precious gems and jewels. While the bodies were being placed on stretchers, one of the girls cried out and covered her face with her arm. Ermakov grabbed Alexander Strekotin's rifle and bayoneted her in the chest, but when it failed to penetrate he pulled out his revolver and shot her in the head.

    While Yurovsky was checking the victims for pulses, Ermakov walked through the room, flailing the bodies with his bayonet. The execution lasted about 20 minutes, Yurovsky later admitting to Nikulin's "poor mastery of his weapon and inevitable nerves". Future investigations calculated that a possible 70 bullets were fired, roughly seven bullets per shooter, of which 57 were found in the basement and at all three subsequent gravesites. Some of Pavel Medvedev's stretcher bearers began frisking the bodies for valuables. Yurovsky saw this and demanded that they surrender any looted items or be shot. The attempted looting, coupled with Ermakov's incompetence and drunken state, convinced Yurovsky to oversee the disposal of the bodies himself. Only Alexei's spaniel, Joy, survived to be rescued by a British officer of the Allied Intervention Force, living out his final days in Windsor, Berkshire.

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