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    Default Population structure of my Island

    These days I went to local graveyard and wrote down every single family name of people buried on the Island.
    Most are locals while some ofcourse are people who married into community.

    I studied every surname to determine it's regional origin, mostly trough old books I found.
    Here it is:

    Čakavian Croat surnames (original Island ones, also from other Islands, and Dalmatian coast) - 54%
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chakavian
    Štokavian Croat surnames (from Dalmatian hinterland and Bosnia-Herzegovina) - 25%
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shtokavian
    Kajkavian Croat surnames (from northern Croatia) - 10%
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kajkavian

    Total Croatian origin surnames - 89%
    Total foreign origin surnames - 11%

    Slavic non Croatian surnames - 5.5% (Serb, Polish, Montenegrin, Czech, Russian)
    Non Slavic foreign surnames - 5.5% (Albanian, Italian, Hungarian, French, Istro-Romanian)
    Last edited by Jana; 05-06-2020 at 08:20 PM.

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    Things I learned:

    -majority of my island population does not have dinaric alps origin like I previously belived, only 1/4 of surnames come from that region. It explains why islanders speak čakavian dialect. So, they were not čakavized dinaric alps settlers (štokavian speakers) but in majority descend from native Croatian population of coastal Dalmatia.
    -core of most original island surnames descend from peasants who settled on Island in 12/13th century as serfs who worked on land owned by Catholic church. This people origin is from coastline near Šibenik, particulary Primošten area. Two of my ancestral surnames come from this founding group.
    -intermarriage with other islanders was quite common, especially with islands in Zadar and Split archipelago. This I already knew
    -Herzegovina origin is exeggerated. In fact I found only few native Herzegovina surnames. This was quite unexpected especially because our island toponyms come from Herzegovina
    -there are more surnames with Bosnian origin (especially central and western Bosnia), than from Herzegovina. This does confirm oral tales about part of islanders coming from there
    -impact of foreign surnames is quite minor, and overblown in oral tradition (especially French origin, only one family has real French surname)
    -basically no Venetian input, despite centuries of Venetian rule over Dalmatia. Only two families have deep Italian origin, none of them from Veneto but in fact southern Italy, Calabria
    -there is minor but important presence of north Croatian surnames on island for long time, which I was not aware of until now

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    Quote Originally Posted by Est.1992 View Post
    Things I learned:

    -majority of my island population does not have dinaric alps origin like I previously belived, only 1/4 of surnames come from that region. It explains why islanders speak čakavian dialect. So, they were not čakavized dinaric alps settlers (štokavian speakers) but in majority descend from native Croatian population of coastal Dalmatia.
    -core of most original island surnames descend from peasants who settled on Island in 12/13th century as serfs who worked on land owned by Catholic church. This people origin is from coastline near Šibenik, particulary Primošten area. Two of my ancestral surnames come from this founding group.
    -intermarriage with other islanders was quite common, especially with islands in Zadar and Split archipelago. This I already knew
    -Herzegovina origin is exeggerated. In fact I found only few native Herzegovina surnames. This was quite unexpected especially because our island toponyms come from Herzegovina
    -there are more surnames with Bosnian origin (especially central and western Bosnia), than from Herzegovina. This does confirm oral tales about part of islanders coming from there
    -impact of foreign surnames is quite minor, and overblown in oral tradition (especially French origin, only one family has real French surname)
    -basically no Venetian input, despite centuries of Venetian rule over Dalmatia. Only two families have deep Italian origin, none of them from Veneto but in fact southern Italy, Calabria
    -there is minor but important presence of north Croatian surnames on island for long time, which I was not aware of until now
    Have you received non europeans inmigrants in your island recently as in other European countries we did?

    I mean, last 20 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Est.1992 View Post
    Things I learned:

    -majority of my island population does not have dinaric alps origin like I previously belived, only 1/4 of surnames come from that region. It explains why islanders speak čakavian dialect. So, they were not čakavized dinaric alps settlers (štokavian speakers) but in majority descend from native Croatian population of coastal Dalmatia.
    -core of most original island surnames descend from peasants who settled on Island in 12/13th century as serfs who worked on land owned by Catholic church. This people origin is from coastline near Šibenik, particulary Primošten area. Two of my ancestral surnames come from this founding group.
    -intermarriage with other islanders was quite common, especially with islands in Zadar and Split archipelago. This I already knew
    -Herzegovina origin is exeggerated. In fact I found only few native Herzegovina surnames. This was quite unexpected especially because our island toponyms come from Herzegovina
    -there are more surnames with Bosnian origin (especially central and western Bosnia), than from Herzegovina. This does confirm oral tales about part of islanders coming from there
    -impact of foreign surnames is quite minor, and overblown in oral tradition (especially French origin, only one family has real French surname)
    -basically no Venetian input, despite centuries of Venetian rule over Dalmatia. Only two families have deep Italian origin, none of them from Veneto but in fact southern Italy, Calabria
    -there is minor but important presence of north Croatian surnames on island for long time, which I was not aware of until now
    Have you received non europeans inmigrants in your island recently as in other European countries we did?

    I mean, last 20 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gixajo View Post
    Have you received non europeans inmigrants in your island recently as in other European countries we did?

    I mean, last 20 years.
    Yes, trough intermarriage. One local man (a sailor) took Filipina wife, and one girl from our island who lives in Netherlands for some time has children with black man. Other than that none. But we received foreign European ''immigrants'', from Sweden, Ireland, Austria, Hungary, Russia, Serbia and Germany. They hold property on the island and some moved here permanently. Also lot of 2nd or 3rd generation Croatian immigrants return to island their ancestors left to retire. Some of them brought their non Croat white American family members.

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    And, how many inhabitants are there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gixajo View Post
    And, how many inhabitants are there?
    Less than 300 year round like at this moment, in summer it will grow to 3000

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    Quote Originally Posted by Est.1992 View Post
    Less than 300 year round like at this moment, in summer it will grow to 3000
    3000 foreigner turists or people with familiar links in your island that come back in hollydays?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gixajo View Post
    3000 foreigner turists or people with familiar links in your island that come back in hollydays?
    Mostly people who are islander origin. We have very limited tourist capacities, only one hotel with few rooms.

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