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    Quote Originally Posted by Nykyus View Post
    The Western Allies did not give money. They supplied only equipment for gold. Russia still has not paid for this help.
    The USSR received gold from Kolyma, from the GULAG. GULAG prisoners built a road to Kolyma.
    Gold = money, btw the complete help in numbers, the american aid:

    "If Germany defeated the Soviet Union, the most significant front in Europe would be closed. Roosevelt believed that if the Soviets were defeated the Allies would be far more likely to lose. Roosevelt concluded that the United States needed to help the Soviets fight against the Germans.[50] Soviet Ambassador Maxim Litvinov significantly contributed to the Lend-Lease agreement of 1941. American deliveries to the Soviet Union can be divided into the following phases:

    -"Pre Lend-lease" June 22, 1941, to September 30, 1941 (paid for in gold and other minerals)
    -First protocol period from October 1, 1941, to June 30, 1942 (signed October 7, 1941),[51] these supplies were to be manufactured and delivered by the UK with US credit financing.
    -Second protocol period from July 1, 1942, to June 30, 1943 (signed October 6, 1942)
    -Third protocol period from July 1, 1943, to June 30, 1944 (signed October 19, 1943)
    -Fourth protocol period from July 1, 1944 (signed April 17, 1945), formally ended May 12, 1945, but deliveries continued for the duration of the war with Japan (which the Soviet Union entered on August 8, 1945) under the "Milepost" agreement until September 2, 1945, when Japan capitulated. On September 20, 1945, all Lend-Lease to the Soviet Union was terminated.

    Delivery was via the Arctic Convoys, the Persian Corridor, and the Pacific Route.

    The Arctic route was the shortest and most direct route for lend-lease aid to the USSR, though it was also the most dangerous as it involved sailing past German-occupied Norway. Some 3,964,000 tons of goods were shipped by the Arctic route; 7% was lost, while 93% arrived safely.[52] This constituted some 23% of the total aid to the USSR during the war.

    The Persian Corridor was the longest route, and was not fully operational until mid-1942. Thereafter it saw the passage of 4,160,000 tons of goods, 27% of the total.[52]

    The Pacific Route opened in August 1941, but was affected by the start of hostilities between Japan and the U.S.; after December 1941, only Soviet ships could be used, and, as Japan and the USSR observed a strict neutrality towards each other, only non-military goods could be transported.[53] Nevertheless, some 8,244,000 tons of goods went by this route, 50% of the total.[52]

    In total, the U.S. deliveries to the USSR through Lend-Lease amounted to $11 billion in materials: over 400,000 jeeps and trucks; 12,000 armored vehicles (including 7,000 tanks, about 1,386[54] of which were M3 Lees and 4,102 M4 Shermans);[55] 11,400 aircraft (4,719 of which were Bell P-39 Airacobras)[56] and 1.75 million tons of food.[57]

    Roughly 17.5 million tons of military equipment, vehicles, industrial supplies, and food were shipped from the Western Hemisphere to the USSR, 94% coming from the US. For comparison, a total of 22 million tons landed in Europe to supply American forces from January 1942 to May 1945. It has been estimated that American deliveries to the USSR through the Persian Corridor alone were sufficient, by US Army standards, to maintain sixty combat divisions in the line.[58][59]

    Restrictions in the supply of weapons from the United States were mainly in connection with the supply of heavy bombers. The United States refused such supplies of heavy bombers. For example, in the 4 Ottawa Protocol (July 1, 1944-30 June 1945) the USSR requested 240 B-17 bombers and 300 B-24 bombers, which the United States did not supply. Heavy bombers were not mentioned at all in previous protocols.[60]

    The production of heavy bombers in the United States until 1945 amounted to more than 30 thousand.

    Obviously, the US saw a threat to itself in this case. Without a doubt, this to some extent worked against achieving victory over Hitler's Germany. The USSR had a small number of heavy bombers. The only modern heavy bomber the USSR had was the Petlyakov Pe-8, and it only had 27 such bombers at the start of the war, with fewer than 100 produced until 1945.[61]

    The United States delivered to the Soviet Union from October 1, 1941, to May 31, 1945 the following: 427,284 trucks, 13,303 combat vehicles, 35,170 motorcycles, 2,328 ordnance service vehicles, 2,670,371 tons of petroleum products (gasoline and oil) or 57.8 percent of the high-octane aviation fuel,[32] 4,478,116 tons of foodstuffs (canned meats, sugar, flour, salt, etc.), 1,911 steam locomotives, 66 diesel locomotives, 9,920 flat cars, 1,000 dump cars, 120 tank cars, and 35 heavy machinery cars. Provided ordnance goods (ammunition, artillery shells, mines, assorted explosives) amounted to 53 percent of total domestic consumption.[32] One item typical of many was a tire plant that was lifted bodily from the Ford Company's River Rouge Plant and transferred to the USSR. The 1947 money value of the supplies and services amounted to about eleven billion dollars.[62] "

    The british aid:

    "In June 1941, within weeks of the German invasion of the USSR, the first British aid convoy set off along the dangerous Arctic sea route to Murmansk, arriving in September. It carried 40 Hawker Hurricanes along with 550 mechanics and pilots of No. 151 Wing in Operation Benedict, to provide air defence of the port and to train Soviet pilots. The convoy was the first of many convoys to Murmansk and Archangelsk in what became known as the Arctic convoys, the returning ships carried the gold that the USSR was using to pay the US.

    By the end of 1941, early shipments of Matilda, Valentine and Tetrarch tanks represented only 6.5% of total Soviet tank production but over 25% of medium and heavy tanks produced for the Red Army.[63][64] The British tanks first saw action with the 138 Independent Tank Battalion in the Volga Reservoir on November 20, 1941.[65] Lend-Lease tanks constituted 30 to 40 percent of heavy and medium tank strength before Moscow at the beginning of December 1941.[66][67]
    British Mk III 'Valentine' destroyed in the Soviet Union, January 1944

    Significant numbers of British Churchill, Matilda and Valentine tanks were shipped to the USSR.[68]

    Between June 1941 and May 1945, Britain delivered to the USSR:

    -3,000+ Hurricanes aircraft
    -4,000+ other aircraft
    -27 naval vessels
    -5,218 tanks (including 1,380 Valentines from Canada)
    -5,000+ anti-tank guns
    -4,020 ambulances and trucks
    -323 machinery trucks (mobile vehicle workshops equipped with generators and all the welding and power tools required to perform heavy servicing)
    -1,212 Universal Carriers and Loyd Carriers (with another 1,348 from Canada)
    -1,721 motorcycles
    -Ł1.15bn worth of aircraft engines
    -1,474 radar sets
    -4,338 radio sets
    -600 naval radar and sonar sets
    -Hundreds of naval guns
    -15 million pairs of boots

    In total 4 million tonnes of war material including food and medical supplies were delivered. The munitions totaled Ł308m (not including naval munitions supplied), the food and raw materials totaled Ł120m in 1946 index. In accordance with the Anglo-Soviet Military Supplies Agreement of June 27, 1942, military aid sent from Britain to the Soviet Union during the war was entirely free of charge.[69][70]"
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease

    Fact: USA + British Empire saved the Soviet Union from the total collapse between 41-42'. But the point is not that. The point the internationalist soviets destroyed the european nationalism completely with their marxist ideology and later this culture-marxist shit was also supported by soviets. I don't understant some russian user who glorify the Soviet Union but they are anti migrants at same time... how? The soviet state was a marxist, internationalist state where the diversity is booming. You guys should stop this anti migrant agenda and say welcome to muslim migrants to Russia. This is the internationalism/marxism what you guys celebrate now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salty Ears View Post
    Not russians invent that commie crap, it was created in London and Berlin. They wanted to to remove a rival or make an experiment, but russians mastered that shit. Now get the result!
    You are stupid as fck brainwashed by propaganda. Russia was the cradle of marxism, they spreaded it in Europe, they supported the western leftist movements. Now go to the russian borders and say welcome to the muslim migrants, enjoy the internationalist soviet victory over nationalism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blondie View Post
    You are stupid as fck brainwashed by propaganda. Russia was the cradle of marxism, they spreaded it in Europe, they supported the western leftist movements. Now go to the russian borders and say welcome to the muslim migrants, enjoy the internationalist soviet victory over nationalism.
    you are on the level of the north korean schoolboy. what propaganda? of the classics of russian of 19th-18th century or may be propaganda of Niccolo Machiavelli? Russia couldnt be a cradle of marxism, Russians becaeme the victims of their political disorder. Cradle of the comies were on the west. Go dispute with the homo soveticus on this forum in this tone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blondie View Post
    You are stupid as fck brainwashed by propaganda. Russia was the cradle of marxism, they spreaded it in Europe, they supported the western leftist movements. Now go to the russian borders and say welcome to the muslim migrants, enjoy the internationalist soviet victory over nationalism.
    It is not responsibility of Russia why west European countries importing Muslims. Cradle of liberalism and multiculturalism is USA, not Russia.

    By the way, Hitler admired islam.

    In public and private, Adolf Hitler and Heinrich Himmler made warm statements about Islam as a religion and political ideology, describing it as a more disciplined, militaristic, political, and practical form of religion than Christianity, and commending what they perceived to be Muhammad's skill in politics and military leadership.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Salty Ears View Post
    you are on the level of the north korean schoolboy. what propaganda? of the classics of russian of 19th-18th century or may be propaganda of Niccolo Machiavelli? Russia couldnt be a cradle of marxism, Russians becaeme the victims of their political disorder. Cradle of the comies were on the west. Go dispute with the homo soveticus on this forum in this tone.
    Okay i understand that Marx and Engels were western thinkers but the marxism as state ideology raised in Russia and later they have spread it in Europe and North America by weapons and propaganda. This is why the cradle of marxism was in East not in West.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dušan View Post
    It is not responsibility of Russia why west European countries importing Muslims. Cradle of liberalism and multiculturalism is USA, not Russia.
    lol In the US there were such racial laws than in nazi Germany, they were ultra conservative, only after 1945 when the internationalist soviets have won they supported these migrant licker culture-marxist leftist retards in West, Stalin called them "useful idiots". The Soviet Union has a very big responsibility, if the soviets would not have support them than nowadays the culture-marxists would be only a little cult without any real political power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blondie View Post
    lol In the US there were such racial laws than in nazi Germany, they were ultra conservative, only after 1945 when the internationalist soviets have won they supported these migrant licker culture-marxist leftist retards in West, Stalin called them "useful idiots". The Soviet Union has a very big responsibility, if the soviets would not have support them than nowadays the culture-marxists would be only a little cult without any real political power.
    We were the first country to really practice Eugenics, Germany took a lot of pages out of our book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blondie View Post
    You guys should say thanks for USA for tons of money, aid, aircraft, tank, mobilized vehicles etc what they gave to Soviet Union to save them from collapse in 41' and 42'.
    The EU is also should say thanks for Soviet Union because they spreaded marxism in Europe and the modern migrant licker culture-marxist shit is also based on soviets and the western neo-leftist movements in the 60', 70', 80' years were all supported by Soviet Union. So be happy to destroy european nationalism, the real winners are muslims because Russia and West Europe (including Germany) will be muslim majority country in the future.
    You should to say thanks to our ancestors that your nation was liberated from Nazism. Two of my great-grandfathers fought and one personally participated in the capture of Berlin. Germans don’t have a word regarding this war.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Blondie View Post
    Gold = money, btw the complete help in numbers, the american aid:
    The Western Allies supplied only equipment, not free. USSR gave gold in return.

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    The USSR died after the war, so the United States and Great Britain remained the winners.
    Also, in the First World War, the Russian Empire was not on the list of winners, because it died during the war.

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