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    Quote Originally Posted by Axios View Post
    Unga unga unga. You know where i live, do something about it little weazel. You are nothing, you are irrelevant. Mad backwards cunt.
    You sound like McGregor in the pressconference before the match with Khabib

    Inviato dal mio SM-A405FN utilizzando Tapatalk

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gallop View Post
    Andalusian sample in G25
    Spanish_Andalucia,0.1096493,0.1496213,0.0349467,-0.0047373,0.0433927,-0.004183,-0.00094,0.0002307,0.0188843,0.0302513,-0.0033563,0.0060943,-0.0142217,-0.0155517,0.006831,-0.0045083,-0.0028683,-0.0005913,-0.0023463,-0.0044603,0.0038267,-0.001113,-0.0011503,-0.0041367,-0.0003593

    Target: Spanish_Andalucia
    Distance: 0.6002% / 0.00600170
    20.0 Basque_French
    19.8 Spanish_Canarias
    18.6 Swiss_French
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    6.6 Italian_Bergamo
    4.0 Turkish_Trabzon
    3.8 Sardinian
    3.2 Italian_Lazio
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    1.4 Italian_Abruzzo
    1.0 Berber_Tunisia_Chen
    0.8 Sorb_Niederlausitz
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    Sample Canary in G25
    Target: Spanish_Canarias
    Distance: 0.8038% / 0.00803773
    30.8 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
    24.2 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
    18.6 Spanish_Asturias

    14.6 Mozabite
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    3.2 Sardinian
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    Spanish_Canarias,0.081953,0.1452205,0.0324325,-0.015827,0.042777,-0.009901,-0.00329,0.0043845,0.0302695,0.030069,-0.0003245,0.0047205,-0.0110755,-0.0139,0.016965,-0.0118665,-0.009388,-0.0055745,-0.0098675,-0.0016885,-0.000749,-0.0072335,0.0002465,-0.0054825,0.0017365

    And my own sample. I am Andalusian.
    It refers to the Canary Islands, you have already seen the Canary sample or perhaps you think that the current Canaries are pure Guanches. We agreed with the Canaries because they are Spanish and you are already seeing what they have.

    Sample of me, Gallop
    Target: Gallop_scaled
    Distance: 1.5398% / 0.01539756
    23.6 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
    22.6 Basque_Spanish
    16.0 Basque_French
    11.4 Spanish_La_Rioja
    7.6 Spanish_Canarias
    7.6 Spanish_Menorca
    6.4 North_Ossetian
    1.8 Datog
    1.4 Spanish_Soria
    0.6 Berber_MAR_TIZ
    0.6 Lithuanian
    0.4 Ket

    1 is from the Andalusian sample of G25.
    0.6 My results are Gallop

    Noise that can come from anywhere maybe the most unlikely and even if it was something else it could come from any older coincidence still shared

    I`m E-V22 dnaY How many millennia can that particular ancestor take in Europe? Of course from the time of Al Andalus it is not

    Where is 15% 20% NA from Al Andalus? It simply does not exist in Andalusia.

    Tracatrá

    Andalusia is from Spain and the Spanish and Spain and the Spanish are from the Andalusians, that is, the same thing.

    You still don't want to understand old man : you can't use spanish components as references because they already have some north african in them. Reality is this :

    Target: Spanish_Andalucia
    Distance: 0.8279% / 0.00827924
    53.4 Basque_Spanish
    22.6 Italian_Campania
    14.4 Scottish
    9.2 Berber_Tunisia_Chen
    0.4 Yoruba


    even scientists disagree with you :



    You're not really an andalusian but probably a descendent of northern settlers :

    There is historical evidence of migration of peoples from the northern Christian kingdoms into newly conquered regions during the Reconquista10,32. The east–west boundaries of the clusters we see in the north of Spain correspond closely to the regions of broad linguistic differences in the Christian-ruled north, which date back to at least the first 200 years of Muslim rule (Fig. 1c), and we date the southwards movement of Basque DNA later within the Reconquista itself. Thus, it appears that present-day population structure within Spain is shaped by population movements within this key period.
    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-08272-w#Sec5

    Present-day populations from southern Iberia harbor less North African ancestry (25) than the ancient Muslim burials, plausibly reflecting expulsion of moriscos (former Muslims converted to Christianity) and repopulation from the north, as supported by historical sources and genetic analysis of present-day groups (25). The impact of Muslim rule is also evident in northeast Iberia in seven individuals from Sant Juliŕ de Ramis from the 8th to 12th centuries CE who, unlike previous ancient individuals from the same region, show North African–related ancestry (Fig. 2C and table S19) and a complete overlap in PCA with present-day Iberians (Fig. 1D)."
    https://science.sciencemag.org/content/363/6432/1230

    thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nassbean View Post
    You still don't want to understand old man : you can't use spanish components as references because they already have some north african in them. Reality is this :

    Target: Spanish_Andalucia
    Distance: 0.8279% / 0.00827924
    53.4 Basque_Spanish
    22.6 Italian_Campaniai
    14.4 Scottish
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    0.4 Yoruba


    even scientists disagree with you :

    [IMG]https://i.imgur.co

    You're not really an andalusian but probably a descendent of northern settlers :



    [url]https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-08



    [url]https://science.sciencemag.org/content/363/

    thanks.
    what you fail to understand is that we don't descend from these buried people. These people were your people, not the our.

    Lol at he is not really an Andalusian but a probably descendant of northern settlers boy, all the fuckin andalusians are descendants of northern settlers.... All of them. The fuckin 100%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cristiano viejo View Post
    The key is " as equals ". I don't see you as an equal, sorry.
    Moors had ruled lands in Iberia for nearly 800 years

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unknown European View Post
    Moors had ruled lands in Iberia for nearly 800 years
    Yes, Granada in the south of Andalusia. And?
    The last 300 paying tribute to Castilla. If not they would have been expelled before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unknown European View Post
    Moors had ruled lands in Iberia for nearly 800 years
    The genetic legacy of the Moors in the Iberian Peninsula is almost nothing. We had biologists such as John R. Baker who stated that the Moors of the 8th were unhybridized Europeans.

    Even if you don't accept that they were Europeans, you can't deny the fact that they were mainly or, in many cases, fully Caucasian, therefore the admixture wasn't damaging.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pɪᴇᴛʀᴏ Cʜᴀʀᴅᴏɴɴᴇ View Post
    The genetic legacy of the Moors in the Iberian Peninsula is almost nothing. We had biologists such as John R. Baker who stated that the Moors of the 8th were unhybridized Europeans.

    Even if you don't accept that they were Europeans, you can't deny the fact that they were mainly or, in many cases, fully Caucasian, therefore the admixture wasn't damaging.
    They already had NA admixture but a new gene flow appeared with the moorish conquest I invite you to read what I posted earlier (of course it doesn't imply that all moors were north african but that the first conquerors and settlers impacted Iberia the same way Romans did)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nassbean View Post
    They already had NA admixture but a new gene flow appeared with the moorish conquest I invite you to read what I posted earlier (of course it doesn't imply that all moors were north african but that the first conquerors and settlers impacted Iberia the same way Romans did)
    I will give it a read as soon as possible.

    Thank you, Nassbean!

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    Target: Portugueseortugal11
    Distance: 2.5157% / 0.02515713
    46.2 Swiss_French
    29.8 Basque_Spanish
    12.6 Berber_Tunisia_Chen
    6.0 French_Paris
    2.6 Swedish
    1.4 Sardinian
    1.0 French_Pas-de-Calais
    0.4 Italian_Aosta_Valley

    Target: Portugueseortugal10
    Distance: 1.7989% / 0.01798868
    47.0 Italian_Aosta_Valley
    26.0 Basque_Spanish
    14.8 Berber_Tunisia_Chen
    10.2 French_South
    1.6 Saudi
    0.4 French_Brittany

    Target: Portugueseortugal1
    Distance: 2.7625% / 0.02762472
    38.4 Italian_Aosta_Valley
    28.4 Sardinian
    20.8 French_Seine-Maritime
    4.4 Berber_MAR_TIZ
    3.2 Basque_Spanish
    3.0 Swiss_French
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    Target: Portuguese:EBC_Portugal9
    Distance: 1.5656% / 0.01565590
    40.6 Basque_French
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    6.4 Berber_Tunisia_Chen
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    4.8 German_East

    Target: Portuguese:EBC_Portugal7
    Distance: 1.2628% / 0.01262795
    20.2 Italian_Aosta_Valley
    19.2 French_Brittany
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    15.2 Sardinian
    6.8 Italian_Bergamo
    3.8 Libyan
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    3.6 Swedish
    3.4 Basque_Spanish
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    2.4 Saudi

    Target: Portuguese:EBC_Portugal6
    Distance: 2.0536% / 0.02053606
    48.0 Basque_French
    29.6 Italian_Lombardy
    8.6 German_East
    8.4 Berber_MAR_ERR
    3.4 French_Seine-Maritime
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    Target: Portuguese:EBC_Portugal3
    Distance: 1.4561% / 0.01456095
    32.4 French_Paris
    17.0 French_Seine-Maritime
    12.4 Sardinian
    11.8 Berber_Tunisia_Chen
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    8.4 Lebanese_Christian
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    0.4 Saudi

    Target: Portuguese:EBC_Portugal2
    Distance: 2.6661% / 0.02666076
    79.0 Italian_Aosta_Valley
    10.4 Moroccan_North
    5.0 Sardinian
    2.2 Berber_MAR_TIZ
    1.8 Saudi
    1.6 Berber_Algeria

    Target: Portuguese:EBC_Portugal13
    Distance: 1.5710% / 0.01571009
    29.0 Basque_Spanish
    26.8 Swiss_French
    15.8 French_Corsica
    8.6 Moroccan_North
    7.0 French_Brittany
    4.2 French_South
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    2.2 Berber_MAR_ERR

    1.4 French_Seine-Maritime

    Target: Portuguese:EBC_Portugal12
    Distance: 1.1474% / 0.01147416
    41.2 Basque_French
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    14.2 Italian_Lombardy
    13.6 German_East
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    0.8 French_Seine-Maritime

    Target: Portuguese:EBC_Portugal11
    Distance: 1.4946% / 0.01494557
    29.8 Swiss_French
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    10.8 Swedish
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    6.6 Berber_Tunisia_Chen
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    Target: Portuguese:EBC_Portugal10
    Distance: 1.6197% / 0.01619708
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    13.6 Berber_Tunisia_Chen
    11.2 Swedish
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    Target: Portugueseortugal11
    Distance: 2.5158% / 0.02515756
    46.2 Swiss_French
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    12.6 Berber_Tunisia_Chen
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    Target: Portugueseortugal10
    Distance: 1.7989% / 0.01798868
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    26.0 Basque_Spanish
    14.8 Berber_Tunisia_Chen
    10.2 French_South
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    Target: Portugueseortugal1
    Distance: 2.7624% / 0.02762397
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    3.8 Berber_MAR_TIZ
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    2.8 Swiss_French
    2.2 Moroccan_South

    Target: Portuguese:EBC_Portugal9
    Distance: 1.5656% / 0.01565590
    40.6 Basque_French
    20.2 Italian_Liguria
    16.8 French_Seine-Maritime
    6.4 Berber_Tunisia_Chen
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    4.8 German_East

    Target: Portuguese:EBC_Portugal7
    Distance: 1.2629% / 0.01262867
    20.2 Italian_Aosta_Valley
    19.0 French_Brittany
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    15.0 Sardinian
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    3.8 Libyan
    3.6 Basque_Spanish
    3.6 Berber_MAR_TIZ
    3.6 Swedish
    3.2 Berber_Tunisia_Chen
    2.4 Saudi


    Target: Portuguese:EBC_Portugal6
    Distance: 2.0536% / 0.02053606
    48.0 Basque_French
    29.6 Italian_Lombardy
    8.6 German_East
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    Target: Portuguese:EBC_Portugal3
    Distance: 1.4561% / 0.01456095
    32.4 French_Paris
    17.0 French_Seine-Maritime
    12.4 Sardinian
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    8.4 Lebanese_Christian
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    0.4 Saudi

    Target: Portuguese:EBC_Portugal2
    Distance: 2.6663% / 0.02666301
    79.0 Italian_Aosta_Valley
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    5.2 Sardinian
    2.8 Berber_MAR_TIZ
    2.0 Saudi
    1.4 Berber_Algeria
    0.4 Moroccan_South


    Target: Portuguese:EBC_Portugal13
    Distance: 1.5709% / 0.01570884
    29.0 Basque_Spanish
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    Distance: 1.1473% / 0.01147350
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    13.8 Italian_Lombardy
    13.4 German_East
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    0.8 French_Seine-Maritime

    Target: Portuguese:EBC_Portugal11
    Distance: 1.4942% / 0.01494230
    30.4 Swiss_French
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    Target: Portuguese:EBC_Portugal10
    Distance: 1.6197% / 0.01619685
    45.0 Basque_French
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    11.0 Swedish
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    Target: Portuguese:EBC_Portugal1
    Distance: 1.4880% / 0.01488031
    43.0 Basque_Spanish
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    Target: Portuguese:EBC_Portugal1
    Distance: 1.4881% / 0.01488139
    42.6 Basque_Spanish
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    The data is making them very clear. The expulsion was a resounding success. Christians remained plus the repopulation of the Christian kingdoms. And in any case, if someone is left, it is absorbed by the total population, not the other way around.

    Al Andalus was finally a failed project that ended forever. A period of which the Spanish neither remember nor feel part of our history beyond victory and its settlement forever.

    Stop hanging on to Spain's backpack to improve your reviled image in the world, wanting you to associate with the Spanish or other Europeans in the Mediterranean, you are Africans, we are Europeans.

    And by the way of old I have nothing, I am young and beautiful.
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