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    Quote Originally Posted by RatCat View Post
    Does anyone have any Yaghnobi gedmatch results?
    Yagnobi1,28.88,4.03,0.00,0.00,5.78,23.74,5.00,0.00 ,5.02,3.02,24.52,0.00
    Yagnobi2,30.19,3.44,0.00,0.00,8.34,22.10,4.82,0.00 ,4.89,2.80,23.42,0.00
    Yagnobi3,29.47,4.70,0.00,1.84,8.84,22.08,4.85,0.00 ,3.88,0.87,23.47,0.00
    Yagnobi4,32.56,1.42,0.00,0.00,5.65,21.11,6.68,0.00 ,5.02,3.68,23.87,0.00
    Yagnobi5,30.54,6.06,0.06,0.36,7.67,21.60,7.88,0.00 ,2.91,0.91,22.00,0.00
    Yagnobi6,33.20,3.85,0.00,0.46,8.96,22.04,4.51,0.00 ,3.18,2.01,21.79,0.00
    Average:
    Gedrosian: 30.81
    Siberian: 3.91
    Northwest_African: 0.01
    Southeast_Asian: 0.44
    Atlantic_Med: 7.62
    North_European: 22.11
    South_Asian 5.62
    East_African 0.00
    Southwest_Asian: 4.15
    East_Asian: 2.21
    Caucasian: 23.18
    SSA: 0.00

    Distance to: Yagnobi
    7.36935547 Pamiri_Rushan
    7.89324395 Tajik_Tajikistan
    8.36939663 Pamiri_Shughnan
    10.04898005 Tajiks
    11.60697204 Pamiri_Ishkashim
    13.02764369 Tajik_Herat
    14.87553024 Pashtun_Kandahar
    15.06514852 Tabasaran
    15.25325867 Turkmens
    15.41820353 Turkmen_Iran
    15.50087739 Avar
    15.76290582 Dargin
    15.81801505 Lezgin
    16.37803712 Avar_Dagestan
    16.60282807 Lak
    16.79585663 Qumuq
    17.25264617 Iran_Khorasan
    17.90227360 Tajik_Kabul
    18.42900160 Tajik_Panjshir&Kapisa
    20.17505886 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
    20.60453834 Kho
    20.67911507 Pashtun_Tarkalani
    20.69347240 Pashtun_Uthmankhel
    20.82566926 Iran_Bandari
    21.39679415 Turkmen_Uzbekistan

    From a genetic view point they are similar to what a Early Iranic Pastoralist would've looked like before mixing with the Natives.
    Last edited by Kyp; 09-26-2020 at 02:36 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyp View Post
    Average:
    Gedrosian: 30.81
    Siberian: 3.91
    Northwest_African: 0.01
    Southeast_Asian: 0.44
    Atlantic_Med: 7.62
    North_European: 22.11
    South_Asian 5.62
    East_African 0.00
    Southwest_Asian: 4.15
    East_Asian: 2.21
    Caucasian: 23.18
    SSA: 0.00

    Distance to: Yagnobi
    7.36935547 Pamiri_Rushan
    7.89324395 Tajik_Tajikistan
    8.36939663 Pamiri_Shughnan
    10.04898005 Tajiks
    11.60697204 Pamiri_Ishkashim
    13.02764369 Tajik_Herat
    14.87553024 Pashtun_Kandahar
    15.06514852 Tabasaran
    15.25325867 Turkmens
    15.41820353 Turkmen_Iran
    15.50087739 Avar
    15.76290582 Dargin
    15.81801505 Lezgin
    16.37803712 Avar_Dagestan
    16.60282807 Lak
    16.79585663 Qumuq
    17.25264617 Iran_Khorasan
    17.90227360 Tajik_Kabul
    18.42900160 Tajik_Panjshir&Kapisa
    20.17505886 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
    20.60453834 Kho
    20.67911507 Pashtun_Tarkalani
    20.69347240 Pashtun_Uthmankhel
    20.82566926 Iran_Bandari
    21.39679415 Turkmen_Uzbekistan

    From a genetic view point they are similar to what a Early Iranic Pastoralist would've looked like before mixing with the Natives.
    Yea, i saw them on my eurogenes k13 oracle-4 results. Never heard of them before. They can be modeled as %50 north caucasian on k13 vahaduo and %20 north caucasian on dodecad k12b. But i think eurogenes is not good for west asians.

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    The Yaghnobis are basically the remnants of Sogdians. Notice how their Atlantic Med ranges from 5 to 8+ percent which is pretty high for that region. The majority of Tajiks in Northern TJK are much more Mongoloid than them, sometimes over 20%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RatCat View Post
    Yea, i saw them on my eurogenes k13 oracle-4 results. Never heard of them before. They can be modeled as %50 north caucasian on k13 vahaduo and %20 north caucasian on dodecad k12b. But i think eurogenes is not good for west asians.
    I think there is some artificial similarity to North Caucasians on these calculators because they are not perfect in distinguishing Iran_Neolithic and CHG and also the Steppe component is high in both. But yes if you split the ancient components they are similar but I think main component of Yagnobis is Iran_Neo + Steppe and North Caucasians are CHG+Steppe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyp View Post
    I think there is some artificial similarity to North Caucasians on these calculators because they are not perfect in distinguishing Iran_Neolithic and CHG and also the Steppe component is high in both. But yes if you split the ancient components they are similar but I think main component of Yagnobis is Iran_Neo + Steppe and North Caucasians are CHG+Steppe.
    Georgia and the NW Caucasus might as well have a bit of Anatolian.

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    Allegedly an Iraqi Arab (she was on this forum)
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    Gedrosia 5.35 Pct
    Siberian 0.51 Pct
    Northwest_African 6.40 Pct
    Southeast_Asian -
    Atlantic_Med 5.08 Pct
    North_European 0.43 Pct
    South_Asian 1.02 Pct
    East_African 8.85 Pct
    Southwest_Asian 43.58 Pct
    East_Asian 0.19 Pct
    Caucasus 28.59 Pct
    Sub_Saharan -

    Distance to: m.
    5.17167284 Kuwait1
    5.95142000 Bedouin
    11.92325459 Yemenese
    13.81735865 Yemen_Jews
    15.04044215 Kuwait2

    Target: m.
    Distance: 2.6897% / 2.68966798 | ADC: 0.25x
    54.4 Kuwait1
    22.6 Bedouin
    13.8 Yemen_Jews
    5.2 Ethiopian_Jews
    3.8 Egyptans
    0.2 Moroccan

    (Arab and East African references might be incorrect)

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    Quote Originally Posted by RatCat View Post
    Does anyone have any Yaghnobi gedmatch results?
    This is Tajik Ishkashimi sample. Both score similar in nMonte except Ishkashimi score 10% more AASI while Yagnobi scores 10% more ANF. You can explore more in the searches.

    Kit: MF7270161 (*TAJIK ISHKASHIM 01)
    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Gedrosia 33.74
    2 North_European 21.9
    3 Caucasus 16.41
    4 South_Asian 13.62
    5 Siberian 5.58
    6 East_Asian 4.23
    7 Atlantic_Med 2.76
    8 Southwest_Asian 1.51
    9 Southeast_Asian 0.23

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    Central Asian references are so ass

    I have rarely seen any Central Asian population except maybe Turkmens to get a decent distance consistently

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    Bulgarian: 1/2 Dobrich. 1/4 Sliven. 1/4 Yambol.


    # Population Percent
    1 Caucasus 29.85
    2 North_European 25.77
    3 Atlantic_Med 22.77
    4 Southwest_Asian 11.15
    5 Gedrosia 6.57
    6 Northwest_African 2.9
    7 Siberian 0.78
    8 East_Asian 0.16
    9 Sub_Saharan 0.04

    Code:
    Single Population Sharing:
    
    #	Population (source)	Distance
    1	Bulgarian (Dodecad)	10.2
    2	Greek (Dodecad)	10.45
    3	O_Italian (Dodecad)	11.39
    4	Bulgarians (Yunusbayev)	11.39
    5	Romanians (Behar)	11.73
    6	C_Italian (Dodecad)	14.24
    7	Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar)	14.87
    8	Ashkenazi (Dodecad)	15.13
    9	S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad)	15.72
    10	Sicilian (Dodecad)	15.78
    11	Tuscan (HGDP)	16.3
    12	TSI30 (Metspalu)	16.69
    13	N_Italian (Dodecad)	19.23
    14	Sephardic_Jews (Behar)	20.59
    15	North_Italian (HGDP)	21.85
    16	Morocco_Jews (Behar)	22.17
    17	Turkish (Dodecad)	24.02
    18	Hungarians (Behar)	25.77
    19	Turks (Behar)	25.88
    20	Cypriots (Behar)	26.89
    
    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
    
    #	 	Primary Population (source)	Secondary Population (source)	Distance
    1	 	67.7%	Sephardic_Jews (Behar)	+	32.3%	Russian (Dodecad)	@	2.46
    2	 	51.7%	German (Dodecad)	+	48.3%	Druze (HGDP)	@	2.53
    3	 	66.2%	Sephardic_Jews (Behar)	+	33.8%	Mixed_Slav (Dodecad)	@	2.68
    4	 	67%	Sephardic_Jews (Behar)	+	33%	Mordovians (Yunusbayev)	@	2.8
    5	 	67.6%	Sephardic_Jews (Behar)	+	32.4%	Russian_B (Behar)	@	2.94
    6	 	64.6%	Sephardic_Jews (Behar)	+	35.4%	Ukranians (Yunusbayev)	@	2.94
    7	 	72.2%	Sephardic_Jews (Behar)	+	27.8%	Lithuanians (Behar)	@	2.95
    8	 	67.9%	Sephardic_Jews (Behar)	+	32.1%	Belorussian (Behar)	@	2.96
    9	 	70.7%	Sephardic_Jews (Behar)	+	29.3%	Lithuanian (Dodecad)	@	2.97
    10	 	60.2%	Cypriots (Behar)	+	39.8%	Swedish (Dodecad)	@	3.03
    11	 	55.8%	Hungarians (Behar)	+	44.2%	Druze (HGDP)	@	3.28
    12	 	72.9%	S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad)	+	27.1%	Mordovians (Yunusbayev)	@	3.32
    13	 	68.2%	Sephardic_Jews (Behar)	+	31.8%	Russian (HGDP)	@	3.33
    14	 	65.8%	Sephardic_Jews (Behar)	+	34.2%	Polish (Dodecad)	@	3.37
    15	 	55.6%	Druze (HGDP)	+	44.4%	Swedish (Dodecad)	@	3.53
    16	 	55.8%	Druze (HGDP)	+	44.2%	Norwegian (Dodecad)	@	3.59
    17	 	71.3%	Romanians (Behar)	+	28.7%	Lebanese (Behar)	@	3.65
    18	 	73.8%	Romanians (Behar)	+	26.2%	Jordanians (Behar)	@	3.66
    19	 	72.8%	Sephardic_Jews (Behar)	+	27.2%	Finnish (Dodecad)	@	3.68
    20	 	51.1%	Hungarians (Behar)	+	48.9%	Cypriots (Behar)	@	3.68
    Turk: 1/2 Targovishte. 1/4 Dobrich. 1/4 Burgas.

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Caucasus 26.5
    2 North_European 24.61
    3 Atlantic_Med 18.9
    4 Gedrosia 9.43
    5 Southwest_Asian 8.59
    6 Siberian 5.74
    7 East_Asian 3.27
    8 South_Asian 1.51
    9 Northwest_African 1.37
    10 East_African 0.08


    Code:
    Single Population Sharing:
    
    #	Population (source)	Distance
    1	Bulgarian (Dodecad)	14.05
    2	Romanians (Behar)	15.04
    3	Bulgarians (Yunusbayev)	15.27
    4	O_Italian (Dodecad)	16.05
    5	Greek (Dodecad)	16.21
    6	C_Italian (Dodecad)	19.04
    7	Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar)	19.09
    8	Ashkenazi (Dodecad)	19.61
    9	S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad)	19.96
    10	Sicilian (Dodecad)	20.26
    11	Tuscan (HGDP)	20.57
    12	TSI30 (Metspalu)	20.97
    13	Nogais (Yunusbayev)	21.58
    14	N_Italian (Dodecad)	22.66
    15	Turkish (Dodecad)	23.54
    16	Sephardic_Jews (Behar)	23.96
    17	Turks (Behar)	24.78
    18	Morocco_Jews (Behar)	25.27
    19	North_Italian (HGDP)	25.39
    20	Kumyks (Yunusbayev)	26.06
    
    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
    
    #	 	Primary Population (source)	Secondary Population (source)	Distance
    1	 	64.3%	Bulgarians (Yunusbayev)	+	35.7%	Turkmens (Yunusbayev)	@	5.59
    2	 	65.2%	S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad)	+	34.8%	Chuvashs (Behar)	@	5.61
    3	 	60.6%	Sephardic_Jews (Behar)	+	39.4%	Chuvashs (Behar)	@	5.62
    4	 	64.8%	Romanians (Behar)	+	35.2%	Turkmens (Yunusbayev)	@	5.9
    5	 	62.7%	Turks (Behar)	+	37.3%	Norwegian (Dodecad)	@	5.92
    6	 	66.7%	Bulgarian (Dodecad)	+	33.3%	Turkmens (Yunusbayev)	@	5.95
    7	 	62.5%	Turks (Behar)	+	37.5%	Swedish (Dodecad)	@	6.11
    8	 	65%	Sicilian (Dodecad)	+	35%	Chuvashs (Behar)	@	6.25
    9	 	63.9%	Turkish (Dodecad)	+	36.1%	Swedish (Dodecad)	@	6.29
    10	 	64%	Turkish (Dodecad)	+	36%	Norwegian (Dodecad)	@	6.3
    11	 	55.9%	Turks (Behar)	+	44.1%	German (Dodecad)	@	6.59
    12	 	66.7%	Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar)	+	33.3%	Chuvashs (Behar)	@	6.83
    13	 	77%	Bulgarian (Dodecad)	+	23%	Hazara (HGDP)	@	7
    14	 	59.5%	Morocco_Jews (Behar)	+	40.5%	Chuvashs (Behar)	@	7.01
    15	 	72.2%	Bulgarian (Dodecad)	+	27.8%	Uzbeks (Behar)	@	7.09
    16	 	58.9%	Turks (Behar)	+	41.1%	Dutch (Dodecad)	@	7.1
    17	 	57.3%	Turkish (Dodecad)	+	42.7%	German (Dodecad)	@	7.12
    18	 	66.1%	Ashkenazi (Dodecad)	+	33.9%	Chuvashs (Behar)	@	7.13
    19	 	52%	Turks (Behar)	+	48%	Hungarians (Behar)	@	7.26
    20	 	67.9%	Bulgarians (Yunusbayev)	+	32.1%	Tajiks (Yunusbayev)	@	7.26
    qpAdm: Bulgarian_1.DG= 77 - Kimak.SG= 23, p= 0.36, se= 0.31.
    Y: Q-L330 > Q-YP771 > Q-BZ180 > Q-F16045* (F15008*) --> Baikal N, Altai MLBA, Aldy-Bel, Pazyryk, Hun.
    MT: K1a --> Iron Gates, Starcevo, Bulgaria N, Bulgaria CA, Bulgaria BA.

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