Who Were We In Antiquity?

[Nomadic]

Hey everyone,

I'm a big fan of Roman history and that time period, and I'm curious if we have any knowledge on who we were in that era.

Slavs did not even become recognizable until the late Roman Empire period, and It's usually been said that Croats are a mix of Slavs + Others, rather than purer Slavs (North Slavs). I don't know if tests or any of the like have been done, but do we know if we had relations to groups from that time?

Many people tend to think of us as Illyrian (except for most Albanians). I've seen good points from the Albanians saying we aren't Illyrian due to Albanians having a lack of haplogroup I (which seems to have spread with Slavs), and due to South Slavs having more of a lack of haplogroup E and J (especially the more west you go). Autosomaly I'm not sure how it goes.

Is it possible we're related to the Getae (Dacians, or even Thracians). I have a lot of close ties (according to my K15 and K32) tests with Hungarians, Romanians, and Bulgarians, and wonder if it's due to the tribes who have lived there. I will note that I don't really agree with my K15 results, they look very odd to me.

According to my true ancestry I have links to Scythians, Proto-Hungarians, and the Boii Gauls. I read on Eupedia that the Scythian samples were probably Scythianized Getae however.

Anyways... I know it's a weird question and a long shot, but I'm curious as to what we might know.

[Tauromachos]

People of Albania would have been Illyrians and also Greek tribes
who settled in the region thats where the haplogroup J might have came from

Slavs did not even become recognizable until the late Roman Empire period, and It's usually been said that Croats are a mix of Slavs + Others, rather than purer Slavs (North Slavs). I don't know if tests or any of the like have been done, but do we know if we had relations to groups from that time?

[Dr_Maul]

Before 550 BC, we were nothing

[Jana]

Hey everyone,

I'm a big fan of Roman history and that time period, and I'm curious if we have any knowledge on who we were in that era.

Slavs did not even become recognizable until the late Roman Empire period, and It's usually been said that Croats are a mix of Slavs + Others, rather than purer Slavs (North Slavs). I don't know if tests or any of the like have been done, but do we know if we had relations to groups from that time?

Many people tend to think of us as Illyrian (except for most Albanians). I've seen good points from the Albanians saying we aren't Illyrian due to Albanians having a lack of haplogroup I (which seems to have spread with Slavs), and due to South Slavs having more of a lack of haplogroup E and J (especially the more west you go). Autosomaly I'm not sure how it goes.

Is it possible we're related to the Getae (Dacians, or even Thracians). I have a lot of close ties (according to my K15 and K32) tests with Hungarians, Romanians, and Bulgarians, and wonder if it's due to the tribes who have lived there. I will note that I don't really agree with my K15 results, they look very odd to me.

According to my true ancestry I have links to Scythians, Proto-Hungarians, and the Boii Gauls. I read on Eupedia that the Scythian samples were probably Scythianized Getae however.

Anyways... I know it's a weird question and a long shot, but I'm curious as to what we might know.

Post your K13 results please. Mytrue ancestry is a joke btw.
Southern Croats (including BiH ones) aremix of Slavs and llyrians, with Slavic part being predominant.

[yamagi]

National identity is a recent phenomenon, we were more community minded and less organized.

[Nomadic]

Post your K13 results please. Mytrue ancestry is a joke btw.
Southern Croats (including BiH ones) aremix of Slavs and llyrians, with Slavic part being predominant.

I always assumed MytrueAncestry was a complete joke, but they seemed to be pretty into it on Eupedia. My K13 is below, but the single pop/etc results are weird to me, same with most other Eurogenes stuff.

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 31.23
2 North_Atlantic 23.71
3 West_Med 18.52
4 East_Med 16.67
5 West_Asian 4.88
6 South_Asian 2.3
7 Siberian 1.46
8 Amerindian 0.89
9 Red_Sea 0.35

Personally my MDLP results look infinitely more correct but I don't know much overall about how these calculators work so...

[Ljubic]

I always assumed MytrueAncestry was a complete joke, but they seemed to be pretty into it on Eupedia. My K13 is below, but the single pop/etc results are weird to me, same with most other Eurogenes stuff.

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 31.23
2 North_Atlantic 23.71
3 West_Med 18.52
4 East_Med 16.67
5 West_Asian 4.88
6 South_Asian 2.3
7 Siberian 1.46
8 Amerindian 0.89
9 Red_Sea 0.35

Personally my MDLP results look infinitely more correct but I don't know much overall about how these calculators work so...

Where from Bosnia are you from?

[vbnetkhio]

Hey everyone,

I'm a big fan of Roman history and that time period, and I'm curious if we have any knowledge on who we were in that era.

Slavs did not even become recognizable until the late Roman Empire period, and It's usually been said that Croats are a mix of Slavs + Others, rather than purer Slavs (North Slavs). I don't know if tests or any of the like have been done, but do we know if we had relations to groups from that time?

Many people tend to think of us as Illyrian (except for most Albanians). I've seen good points from the Albanians saying we aren't Illyrian due to Albanians having a lack of haplogroup I (which seems to have spread with Slavs), and due to South Slavs having more of a lack of haplogroup E and J (especially the more west you go). Autosomaly I'm not sure how it goes.

Is it possible we're related to the Getae (Dacians, or even Thracians). I have a lot of close ties (according to my K15 and K32) tests with Hungarians, Romanians, and Bulgarians, and wonder if it's due to the tribes who have lived there. I will note that I don't really agree with my K15 results, they look very odd to me.

According to my true ancestry I have links to Scythians, Proto-Hungarians, and the Boii Gauls. I read on Eupedia that the Scythian samples were probably Scythianized Getae however.

Anyways... I know it's a weird question and a long shot, but I'm curious as to what we might know.

to put it simple, in my opinion, the average Balkanian is Slavic + Roman. These groups themselves were a mix of multiple earlier groups, which were recognized by Romans.

Slavs were probably a subtribe of Vistula Veneti who mixed with the Balts .

The Romans in the Balkans were a mix of local tribes (Illyrians,Dacians,Thracians) and Roman colonists (from Italy, Greece, and the Near East.) These Romans were similar to modern day southern Italians.

The Celtic, Scythian, etc. influences appear to have been much smaller, and they can't be detected in these simplistic DNA tools we currently have, but i'm sure they left some influence too.

for example, this is one of my models from Gedmatch:

66.1% Ukrainian + 33.9% South_Italian @ 5.27

66.1% Ukrainian, 33.9% South_Italian, and distance 5.27 , meaning this mix accounts for 95% of my Genome.

also check this PCA i made here:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post6670891

Albanians are also a mix of these elements, but they have much less Slavic, and more Roman influence.

[Jana]

I always assumed MytrueAncestry was a complete joke, but they seemed to be pretty into it on Eupedia. My K13 is below, but the single pop/etc results are weird to me, same with most other Eurogenes stuff.

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 31.23
2 North_Atlantic 23.71
3 West_Med 18.52
4 East_Med 16.67
5 West_Asian 4.88
6 South_Asian 2.3
7 Siberian 1.46
8 Amerindian 0.89
9 Red_Sea 0.35

Personally my MDLP results look infinitely more correct but I don't know much overall about how these calculators work so...

Here are your K13 updated Oracles. K13 is best gedmatch calculator for Europeans

Distance to: Nomadic

4.96195526 Serb_Croatia_Lika&Dalmatia
5.26600418 Serb_Croatia
5.35382107 Serb_Serbia
5.53870924 Serb_Serbia_West&Central
5.60808345 Serb
5.65834782 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
5.67498899 Bulgarian_Pleven
5.75992187 Serb_Herzegovina
5.76622060 Serb_B&H
5.89739773 Serb_Croatia_Kordun&Banija
5.99146059 Serb_B&H_Northeast&Central
5.99514804 Croat_Croatia_Istria&Kvarner
5.99932496 Bosniak
6.18216790 Croat_B&H_Herzegovina
6.22024115 Serb_Serbia_South&East
6.32111826 Bosniak_Sarajevo
6.32800126 Croat_Croatia_Dalmatia
6.54201804 Serb_B&H_Krajina
6.54661745 Croat_B&H
6.60979623 Hungarian_Csango
6.61083958 Croat_B&H_Bosnia
6.75177754 Romania_Moldavia_South
6.85916176 Romania_Moldavia_average
6.89010885 Croat_Croatia_Lika-Senj
7.10670810 Moldova_Centre

Your north atlantic and west asian are lower than average for Croat, but you are very much inside our variation, nothing strange about your results.
siberian/amerindian + south asian score indicates steppe influence

If you say your region of ancestry, I can include your result in our database.

[Castizoz]

In Antiquity, we were stardust.