Sumerians

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On a real note though, Sumerians died out but maybe their descendants live on in modern Iraqis.

Sumerians never died out. Arab Bedouins came much later from the Arabia and are not really native to the Northern Mesopotamia. Many, including the Georgians themselves, link the Sumerians to the Hurrians.



There are even people who theorize that the Sumerians might be the proto-proto-IEans.

[Halgurd]

Sumerians never died out. Arab Bedouins came much later from the Arabia and are not really native to the Northern Mesopotamia. Many, including the Georgians themselves, link the Sumerians to the Hurrians.



There are even people who theorize that the Sumerians might be the proto-proto-IEans.

That’s impossible though. The Sumerian language is very well documented and does not correlate with any other IE language other than Kurdish slightly because of some of its characteristics (e.g being ergative like Sumerian) along with some Sumerian loanwords that we probably absorbed from populations such as the Hurrians.

According to Minorsky the ethnogenesis of the Kurds begins with the amalgamation of the Cyrtians and Mardians who were 2 Median speaking tribes and, as they went west, they assimilated some of the natives of Mesopotamia too. That is probably where the Sumerian influence comes from.

[Mejgusu]

Sumerians never died out. Arab Bedouins came much later from the Arabia and are not really native to the Northern Mesopotamia. Many, including the Georgians themselves, link the Sumerians to the Hurrians.



There are even people who theorize that the Sumerians might be the proto-proto-IEans.

You definitely know that your postings are nonsense, no one can claim that things...

[Kyp]

Can we stop connecting Kurds to literally anything?

Some of your claims:

a) Medes = Kurds
b) Parthians = Kurds
c) Persians = evolved from Kurds
d) Hurrians = Kurds
e) Pashtuns = Kurds
f) Sumerians = Kurds
g) all Iranic groups are mixed, except the Kurds. And all Iranic groups evolved from the Kurds.

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That’s impossible though. The Sumerian language is very well documented and does not correlate with any other IE language other than Kurdish slightly because of some of its characteristics (e.g being ergative like Sumerian) along with some Sumerian loanwords that we probably absorbed from populations such as the Hurrians.

According to Minorsky the ethnogenesis of the Kurds begins with the amalgamation of the Cyrtians and Mardians who were 2 Median speaking tribes and, as they went west, they assimilated some of the natives of Mesopotamia too. That is probably where the Sumerian influence comes from.

No, nobody knows what language the ancient Samarra and Ubaid Sumerians spoke. Sumerian language that is documented is from the 'Uruk' period.

The Sumerians pre-date the Medes by thousands of years.

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You definitely know that your postings are nonsense, no one can claim that things...

Just read this very short article

Indo-European before the Indo-Europeans? - new evidence from Mesopotamia
https://rootsofeurope.ku.dk/english/...009/euphratic/

[Halgurd]

No, nobody knows what language the ancient Samarra and Ubaid Sumerians spoke. Sumerian language that is documented is from the 'Uruk' period.

The Sumerians pre-date the Medes by thousands of years.

Samarra and Ubaid were separate cultures to the Sumerians for all we know. I don’t think we can describe them as Sumerian. Before that we had the Halaf culture that dominated the region as well.

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Can we stop connecting Kurds to literally anything?

Some of your claims:

a) Medes = Kurds
b) Parthians = Kurds
c) Persians = evolved from Kurds
d) Hurrians = Kurds
e) Pashtuns = Kurds
f) Sumerians = Kurds
g) all Iranic groups are mixed, except the Kurds. And all Iranic groups evolved from the Kurds.

a) Medes spoke NorthWest Iranian langauge, just like Kurds who speak a NorthWest Iranian language
b) same as the Medes
c) the Medes pre-date the Persians.
d) Hurrians and Iranians have alwasy been living together. Both evolved from the same (Sumerian) source. Read also the history of the Colchis and Medea
e) Pashtuns are absolutely NOT Kurds
f) Sumerians, ancestors of the Hurrians and NorthWest Iranian people
g) Iranic people evolved from the GUTIANS. And Gutians lived in Kurdistan. Persians and other non-Kurdish Iranians have some Turkic DNA in them.


Well, I'm not claiming that the Turks or Arabs or Africans are related to the Kurds. Or even the Chinese or the Europeans. You can claim that if you want.


I'm just mentioning people that it has been proven that they lived in Kurdistan (Northern Mesopotamia and Zagros). Where are those people now? Of course they live on in the Kurds.

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Samarra and Ubaid were separate cultures to the Sumerians for all we know. I don’t think we can describe them as Sumerian. Before that we had the Halaf culture that dominated the region as well.

No, people consider Samarra and Ubaid as proto-Sumerians.

Ubaid evolved literally into Uruk after it migrated into the South and mixed with the Semitic people.

[Mejgusu]

Just read this very short article

Indo-European before the Indo-Europeans? - new evidence from Mesopotamia
https://rootsofeurope.ku.dk/english/...009/euphratic/

No, you can discuss many things about origins of IEs, also where they originated but it’s definitely clear that mesopotamia is not the place where they emerged. They would die out before they can spread, they were too many other peoples and cultures whos would squash them before they flourish...