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    Not very common. If in the Southeast and South, regions that received significant post-colonial Iberian imput, "pure Iberians" are not the most common type, then why would it be the case in the Northeast, where the Iberian element is almost of wholly Old Stock?

    Yes, there was a significant immigration of Galicians to Bahia, but I'm not sure if most of them practiced endogamy, or mixed with people with old roots in the country.

    Ivete Sangalo, who was DNA tested (99% European, 0,4% Amerindian and 0,4% SSA), is the only one I can think of being almost fully Iberian, her father was an Spaniard from Galiza, while her mom is of fully Old Stock from Bahia, the blackest state of Brazil:
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    Some Brazilians of Northeastern origins with only Iberian surnames:

    Jorge Pontual (full name: Jorge Antônio Barreto Pontual Machado):
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    Jesuíta Barbosa (full name: José Jesuíta Barbosa Neto):
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    Aguinaldo Silva (full name: Aguinaldo Ferreira da Silva):
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    Arlete Salles (full name: Arlete Sales Lopes):
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    I would imagine that they are a small minority as the Northeast missed out on the immigration boom from 1880 to 1914. In 1920, the region had less than 2% of Brazil's foreign-born population. Of the foreign-born they tended to be concentrated overwhelmingly in Bahia and Pernambuco, mainly in the cities of Salvador and Recife. In 1970 there were 4,770 Portuguese-born individuals in the Northeast, of these 2,402 were in Pernambuco and 1,586 in Bahia. There were also 3,689 Spaniards, with 3,225 of these in Bahia. I would imagine that a few of these individuals might still be alive and that some of the children of these individuals might still be of unmixed descent. Colonial migration to the region was predominantly male and when more Portuguese women began to arrive in the mid-18th century, they appear to have migrated mostly from the Atlantic Islands and migrated to the South, Southeast and supramarginal to the North of Brazil.

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    What about Clarice Falcão?

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    People of pure Iberian stock are very rare, and I'd guess they are most common in Pará, São Paulo and Rio de Janeiro. There are many Northeasterners, specially in Eastern Northeast (Sergipe, Alagoas, Pernambuco, Paraíba, Rio Grande do Norte and Ceará), who are mainly of Iberian stock (say +85%). There a two things you must consider:

    1. Northeast received few immigrants in the 19th century (and a considerable number of those weren't Iberian or fully Iberian), and even fewer in the 20th century.
    2. The Dutch invasion left a significant legacy in Northeast with many people descending of WIC's soldiers, and many of the first settlers of Northeast (such as Arnau de Holanda, Felippe Cavalcanti, Sibaldo Linz, Clemenza Doria) weren't Iberian and it wouldn't be a stretch to say most of white people from Northeast will be descendant several times of at least one of such settlers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damião de Góis View Post
    What about Clarice Falcão?
    Couldn't find any info about her ancestry. She is probably in the +80% or +90% Iberian range.

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    Gente não vamos ficar colocando fotos de nordestinos brancos, pq eu duvido muito que essas pessoas sejam puras. Aqui tem uma expressiva minoria branca, agora pessoas 100% euro acho que é inexpressivo. Brancos brasileiros 100% euro devem ser expressivos entre os colonos de comunidades rurais do sul e entre os vovôs e as vovós da zona Sul do Rio de Janeiro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tenma de Pegasus View Post
    Gente não vamos ficar colocando fotos de nordestinos brancos, pq eu duvido muito que essas pessoas sejam puras. Aqui tem uma expressiva minoria branca, agora pessoas 100% euro acho que é inexpressivo. Brancos brasileiros 100% euro devem ser expressivos entre os colonos de comunidades rurais do sul e entre os vovôs e as vovós da zona Sul do Rio de Janeiro.
    I know they are not pure. I posted them because they are the closest thing to pure Iberians in Northeastern Brazil, and I would post even more, but that was enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latinus View Post
    I know they are not pure. I posted them because they are the closest thing to pure Iberians in Northeastern Brazil, and I would post even more, but that was enough.
    Just to clarify : D

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tenma de Pegasus View Post
    Just to clarify : D
    Even in the working class areas of Rio it's not uncommon to see pure Portuguese-Brazilians.

    RJ is probably one of the places in Brazil where the whites, proportionally speaking, most resemble the Conquistadores.

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